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Originally posted by Air Legend
Which means they (including the LT) were involved in the attack against the Beyonder (because they had something to do with the assault in this case allowing it to happen). no expression
Not only that but later when the attack was about to happen it said "The Mighty of the Multiverse Tremble...". And that was stated by the writer.
So, if you allow someone to do something, then that means you were directly involved in whatever they are doing?
No LT had no involvement in that attack, it was all Meph, Eternity, and Beyonder's Bane (and a bunch of villains).

Matters not, as you said LT tried to attack Beyonder, and he didn't. He only gave Meph the word that he could do something.

And back to the statement that started this:
"Also, LT never fought Beyonder, so we have no idea how he would fare... and I've never saw LT try to absorb someone...
We just know LT didn't take action against him, and Beyonder was above him."


And you said he did try to attack him, but you weren't going to post scans. smile

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Originally posted by Air Legend
With some help from Galactus' tech. He used his previous techniques of power stealing because he had to adjust first. Also, the Beyonder let his guard up as he was able to retain some of his powers. In other words, Beyonder let it happen, and because the writers wrote it that way, they were able to make two more issues and more money.
That explains why Beyonder had to make sure Doom's guard was all the way down, and distracted before, and Beyonder had to possess people to get his powers back.

That last part is a copout, and I can't believe you think that.
Of course, I've stated though that if you can prove this, I'll concede on that point. smile

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Originally posted by Air Legend
It's all the same according to you, because they also were able to hold the writers power within them, seeing how you took the literal meaning of my statement roll eyes (sarcastic)
Well, don't say the words then, if I'm not supposed to take the meaning of it. roll eyes (sarcastic)

That's like telling someone you have a disease, and then laughing at them for believing you (not to the same effect, but the idea is there).

Or saying you believe in Jeebus, and then telling people that: "I can't believe you believed that I believed in Jeebus! roll eyes (sarcastic)"

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Originally posted by Air Legend
Dr. Doom is essentially a drawing on a piece of paper, but the drawing on the paper doesn't matter much, thus Doom is essentially a piece of paper. Or do you still think he is a real life human certain to die eventually? no expression
So is Beyonder.

I never said anyone was real life.

Trying to assert real life powers in comic books is ridonkules though.

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Originally posted by Air Legend
He didn't want all his powers stolen that's why he still existed and got it back. no expression
As a spirit that could only possess people...

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Originally posted by Air Legend
That's how the writers wanted it. Starlin let his creation do anything and in this case he wanted Thanos to give up the heart. That's the difference between characters who have the "power of the writers" and those who don't. The ones that do, become the most powerful character in their respective company pretty much.
Copout argument.

You could use that argument for any comic character, even if they aren't powerful.

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Originally posted by Air Legend
It kind of is seeing how people in the real world were complaining about how the Beyonder didn't fit well into their story lines and such.
Because he was a stupid character.

Extremely powerful, but that hardly backs up your point.


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So, if you allow someone to do something, then that means you were directly involved in whatever they are doing?
No LT had no involvement in that attack, it was all Meph, Eternity, and Beyonder's Bane (and a bunch of villains).


It doesn't have to directly attack the Beyonder to count as an attack. He and the rest of the cosmic hierarchy were part of the attack because they were involved in the plan. Also, all the Mighty of the Multiverse (which includes the LT) could only watch and tremble as the attack was going to take place. Stated by the writers.

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Originally posted by Bransolute
Matters not, as you said LT tried to attack Beyonder, and he didn't. He only gave Meph the word that he could do something.

And back to the statement that started this:
"Also, LT never fought Beyonder, so we have no idea how he would fare... and I've never saw LT try to absorb someone...
We just know LT didn't take action against him, and Beyonder was above him."


And you said he did try to attack him, but you weren't going to post scans. smile

It, Metiphiso, and the rest of the cosmic hierarchy planned a sneak attack on the Beyonder and they failed. Besides I didn't even have to prove that LT went toe to toe with the Beyonder because all you said was the LT didn't take action against him, but the LT did by agreeing with Metiphiso on the sneak attack. And besides Classic MM, who was greater than LT (stated by the writers), went toe to toe with the Beyonder and lost. LT would be curbstomped in a battle against the Beyonder. Beyonder was millions of times >>>> than everything else combined.
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Originally posted by Bransolute
That explains why Beyonder had to make sure Doom's guard was all the way down, and distracted before, and Beyonder had to possess people to get his powers back.

That last part is a copout, and I can't believe you think that.
Of course, I've stated though that if you can prove this, I'll concede on that point. smile


This fails. If Galactus' tech was actually greater than the Beyonder, it would have stolen all the Beyonder's power. However, this is not the case since the Beyonder let his guard up and then realized his power was being stolen and thus was able to escape with some of his power, on panel. Galactus' was not as powerful as the Beyonder and that's why all his power was stolen. Besides, the whole sequence was PIS as that was the only time Beyonder had some of his powers stolen and Doom was only there because of the Beyonder in the first place.

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Originally posted by Bransolute
Well, don't say the words then, if I'm not supposed to take the meaning of it. roll eyes (sarcastic)

That's like telling someone you have a disease, and then laughing at them for believing you (not to the same effect, but the idea is there).

Or saying you believe in Jeebus, and then telling people that: "I can't believe you believed that I believed in Jeebus! roll eyes (sarcastic)"

Are you mentally retarded? You're suppose to take the meaning of it, not the literal statement. If a man says another man has a chest made of steel, does he mean that the person literally has a chest made of steel? NO. He just means that the guy has a muscular chest (or something of the sort). The same thing applies here. It's a figure of speech.
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So is Beyonder.

I never said anyone was real life.

Trying to assert real life powers in comic books is ridonkules though.

As a spirit that could only possess people...


Yeah, if you literally think I meant the drawings possessed real world powers. no expression
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Originally posted by Bransolute
Copout argument.

You could use that argument for any comic character, even if they aren't powerful.


No you can't. Spider-Man is not the most powerful character in the universe. If Spider-Man had the HOTI, he would become the most powerful character in Marvel and thus have the "power of the writers".
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Because he was a stupid character.

Extremely powerful, but that hardly backs up your point.

LOL. I know you want the last word sooo bad. roll eyes (sarcastic)
Classic Beyonder had the power of the writers, not in the literal sense, but in the sense that if Jim Shooter wanted him to do something, Classic Beyonder could do it. Because the character was too powerful, employees of Marvel wanted to permanently remove him, but Jim Shooter wanted the character to be removed with dignity, so instead they ended up retconning him and Classic MM. You either lack intelligence or just plain want to be annoying if you literally think I meant a drawing could have real world powers.


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F*ck it.

I wrote out a response, and my internet wouldn't respond (and I had to end the program) when I left the computer for a bit.

No way I'm taking the time to write it out again.

Believe me or not, I don't care (as I predicted a dick move as soon as it froze). smile


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mxy can beat him 100/10
No he couldnt.


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No he couldnt.



okay fine more like 99.9999/10.okay happy now


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F*ck it.

I wrote out a response, and my internet wouldn't respond (and I had to end the program) when I left the computer for a bit.

No way I'm taking the time to write it out again.

Believe me or not, I don't care (as I predicted a dick move as soon as it froze). smile

I know you don't care. You were just trying to be a smart ass, but you ended up biting your own tongue.


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but you ended up biting your own tongue.
No I didn't... I ended up having my computer freeze up. smile


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Just wanted to add,

that though it was Eternity's power being siphoned,
it was the Totality of Eternity (Multiverse)
(in other words, the full power of the entire infinite Multiverse.

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This is why when Eternity was going to strike,
the "Mighty of the Multiverse tremble" ... (Living Tribunal included)

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This isn't really surprising though as we all know 616 is the foundation of the Omniverse,
and Eternity's heart, the core of his Totality is located in 616.
(as we saw when Dormy & Umar usurped his infinite Multiversal power through pis)


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Originally posted by Mr Master
Just wanted to add,

that though it was Eternity's power being siphoned,
it was the Totality of Eternity (Multiverse)
(in other words, the full power of the entire infinite Multiverse.

(please log in to view the image)
.....................................................................................


This is why when Eternity was going to strike,
the "Mighty of the Multiverse tremble" ... (Living Tribunal included)

(please log in to view the image)
.....................................................................................


This isn't really surprising though as we all know 616 is the foundation of the Omniverse,
and Eternity's heart, the core of his Totality is located in 616.
(as we saw when Dormy & Umar usurped his infinite Multiversal power through pis)

That entire series was based upon rediculousness that borders on superman's precrisis days. A mere human being with an actual birth date supposedly more powerful than the LT. Foolishness.


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it is SOOOOO comforting knowing that some things will never change . . .


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