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I didn't say he was totally invulnerable, just really, really powerful. Actually, Rune Thor's story was damn right awesome. And he was Skyfather Plus.

I still say this is close.


THat's why it lasted for 6 books only. It's difficult to write such a character when you want him to interfere with your mainstream Earth and he has such a powerset.
anyway... close it is...
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Actually, SHAZAM sold into the MILLIONS. Outselling even Superman. Back in the day. The love for Captain Marvel is there. Just need a good writer.


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Again, just because he can do A, doesn't mean he can do B. They are 2 different sources and not the same. Besides, Adam has more than one magical attack, backed by the gods that give it to him.
Unless there has been cases of people at Thor's level of energy absorption ( which is one of the highest in comics) failing to absorbs his magic energy I don't see anything wrong with claiming that.


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thor wins. handily. he doesn't need magic. and the idea that he wouldn't be tagging adam while at the same time seeing him repeatedly tag the duo of warlock and SILVER SURFER is, to say the least, absurd.


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Unless there has been cases of people at Thor's level of energy absorption ( which is one of the highest in comics) failing to absorbs his magic energy I don't see anything wrong with claiming that.


SHAZAM the being who gave Adam his powers couldn't do it, so I doubt Thor can.


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SHAZAM the being who gave Adam his powers couldn't do it, so I doubt Thor can.
Shazam couldn't absorb his lightning?


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Shazam couldn't absorb his lightning?


SHAZAM couldn't harm or take away his power. When SHAZAM BFR Adam, it left him in a weakened state. Probably Thor's only real hope.


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Ok...how about my question?


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Lol...exactly. Thor would either control it, or block it with Mjolnir.

And as for Thor needing his hammer to beat Superman....that's not proven, either. He's beaten Hulk & Thing without it. And a Mjolnir-wielding Loki + Fenris Wolf without it.

...Plus soloing Durok.


None of those guys is equivalent to Superman. Supes presents an entirely different challenge that he cannot overcome without the hammer and being in a blind rage.

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thor wins. handily. he doesn't need magic. and the idea that he wouldn't be tagging adam while at the same time seeing him repeatedly tag the duo of warlock and SILVER SURFER is, to say the least, absurd.


If you bring up the infinity watch, he had the power gem, and they jobbed heavily. He has never demonstrated the reaction speed that superman levelers have.

And Surfer always uses his speed, am I right? big grin

As for the SHAZAM bolt being stopped by Thor..........no idea. There are good arguements either way. If Adam is dumb enough to just spam it, then yeah, Thor might stop it or use his hammer on it.

Oh wait. You forgot. He's in WARRIOR MADNESS. He's not smart enough to use the full powers of his hammer due to his berserk status.

roll eyes (sarcastic) In his normal state of mind, this is a better fight, because he will use the full abilities of his hammer. But using it as a club while berserk? that's a huge loss of abilities in exchange for rational thought and a strength/durability upgrade, AND NO SPEED.


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A yes or a no will suffice.


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No, he couldn't take away his lightning or magic.

But reviewing some scans, Dr. Fate was also unable to do it. He needed Hourman's help to create a time tunnel to redirect his lightning. But, I also don't think they were in the same time, so that could be a factor.


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None of those guys is equivalent to Superman.

You're right. Amped Loki and Durok would both beat Supes.

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As for the SHAZAM bolt being stopped by Thor..........no idea. There are good arguements either way. If Adam is dumb enough to just spam it, then yeah, Thor might stop it or use his hammer on it.

Oh wait. You forgot. He's in WARRIOR MADNESS. He's not smart enough to use the full powers of his hammer due to his berserk status.

roll eyes (sarcastic) In his normal state of mind, this is a better fight, because he will use the full abilities of his hammer. But using it as a club while berserk? that's a huge loss of abilities in exchange for rational thought and a strength/durability upgrade, AND NO SPEED.

Might want to read the arc in question before commenting on it. Considering he already did block energy blasts in Warrior Madness...at nearly point blank range.


And he has speed, and its been shown before. He can strike at light speed, even. Now please, stop the bullshit.

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You're right. Amped Loki and Durok would both beat Supes.


Might want to read the arc in question before commenting on it. Considering he already did block energy blasts in Warrior Madness...at nearly point blank range.


And he has speed, and its been shown before. He can strike at light speed, even. Now please, stop the bullshit. [/B]
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If you bring up the infinity watch, he had the power gem, and they jobbed heavily. He has never demonstrated the reaction speed that superman levelers have.


nor has a superman leveller ever won a battle against thor using his speed. in ANY COMBAT where thor has gone against a superman-esque character, he has ALWAYS held his own. hyperion. gladiator. warlock. surfer. count nefaria. during the reiging, a one-armed thor, who was severely weakened and ready for the odinsleep, effortlessly met thialfi's blitz:

http://img19.imageshack.us/my.php?image=thialfi.jpg

here agin, hela comments on his speed--it beggars description and thor himself says he can move at the speed of lightning. like adam also stated WHILE in direct combat with thor:

http://img19.imageshack.us/my.php?image=helan.jpg

and thor never had the gem when he singlehandedly almost killed adam and ss simultaneously. claim pis all you'd like. when that is the last resort in any argument, your argument has failed. wink

and as enyalus has said--he used the powers of his hammer many times in that arc.

don't know if he could absorb the lightning. doesn't matter. thor wins.


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SHAZAM the being who gave Adam his powers couldn't do it, so I doubt Thor can.
Shazam failed to absorb his lighting really? When


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This suppose to show what really? Synn was going H2H and owning Black Adam. We don't even know how powerful he is using only H2H but either way he was winning even in that department.

When he actually used his powers he disposed of Adam easily.


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SHAZAM the being who gave Adam his powers couldn't do it, so I doubt Thor can.


Thats like Galactus not being able to absorb Surfer's blasts.


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This suppose to show what really? Synn was going H2H and owning Black Adam. We don't even know how powerful he is using only H2H but either way he was winning even in that department.

When he actually used his powers he disposed of Adam easily.


It shows Black Adam's durability against someone who was composed of Nth Metal. Onimar was really powerful, team buster, yet couldn't fully dispose of Adam.

Let me ask anyone here a question, because I'm not necessarily an expert, but when was the last time we have seen Adam knocked out under physical or magical attacks? Not saying he has never, but I can't think of a instance, without circumstances.


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Let me ask anyone here a question, because I'm not necessarily an expert, but when was the last time we have seen Adam knocked out under physical or magical attacks? Not saying he has never, but I can't think of a instance, without circumstances.

Thrown bus. Black Mary.


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