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Originally posted by zopzop
Those are displays of POWER OUTPUT. If Odin busts galaxies and his fights shake the multiverse and threaten all reality with destruction, it says a lot of about his personal power.

Many abstracts havent' been shown as capable of doing half the things Odin has.

Surtur by himself caused more collateral damage forging his sword than the combined might of Galactus/Eon/Stranger/Two Celestials/Kronos/Mistress Love/Sire Hate/Lord Order/Master Chaos simultaneously blasting Thanos!

There's nothing to debate because it's shown on panel.

I get what you are saying about combat feats but displays of power output also play a big role in determining how powerful a character is.

By your standards, Spider man > Firelord because Spider man pummeled him into unconsciousness. Never mind the fact that Firelord was capable of incinerating all of Manhattan. Spider man's "COMBAT FEAT" win over Firelord means Spiderman is more powerful than Firelord?

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Originally posted by Black bolt z
You don't use collateral damage as an argument. You do use combat feats.
And by combat feats galactus abstractsd are by far superior to Odin.

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And as for the spiderman thing you obviously don't get the high/low showings thing. Firelord has much more impressive combat feats then that.

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Originally posted by zopzop
Combat feats sans power output arent' too impressive, see the Spiderman/Firelord example.



Oh I do get it, but my point has eluded you.

Spiderman owned Firelord, on panel (it's one of your precious combat feats) but going by displays of power, Firelord > Spiderman (by far). You don't just take combat feats as proof, you use the character's history and ON PANEL power output when ranking them.

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Originally posted by Black bolt z
You know thats 99% of fights right? And I already told you. You don't get the high/low showing thing.

No going by combat feats firelord>spiderman.

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Originally posted by zopzop
By your own definition, Spiderman > Firelord. Since power output means nothing to you. The one time Spiderman and Firelord tangled, Spiderman owned him.

But if we take into account POWER OUTPUT, Firelord >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Spiderman. And we can explain away the loss as a low showing.

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Originally posted by Black bolt z
When did I say power output means nothing? Collateral damage means nothing.

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We know from combat feats that Firelord>spiderman. See this is that high/low showing thing again.