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quote: (post ) Originally posted by cdtm
If they can't co-exist somehow, they can't have a crossover.
Technically, you're correct, but if we don't suspend disbelief enough to allow a way for them to be in the same comic, that means a crossover isn't possible. They simply can't meet without some shoehorning..
Right, which is why cross-overs are only significant withIN the cross-over,
and do not in any way pertain to any relevant story
that takes place withIN the actual DC and Marvel Omniverses.
Cross-overs to me are like stories that take place in a meeting place,
outside/disconnected from the true Marvel & DC realities.
quote: (post ) Originally posted by cdtm
He had all twelve items, and used all twelve items. That doesn't mean he NEEDED all twelve items.
Grandmaster collected them, Krona took them and used them. Would it make sense for him to discard the ones he didn't need, instead of going for broke?
That's your unsupported opinion.
What we do know is that Krona did use ALL 12 items
to subdue that alternate Eternity and Kismet.
Please, don't come back with more, this is undeniable.
Do I really need to post the scans?
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Jun 18th, 2010 05:30 PM
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by cdtm
If they can't co-exist somehow, they can't have a crossover.
Technically, you're correct, but if we don't suspend disbelief enough to allow a way for them to be in the same comic, that means a crossover isn't possible. They simply can't meet without some shoehorning..
He had all twelve items, and used all twelve items. That doesn't mean he NEEDED all twelve items.
Grandmaster collected them, Krona took them and used them. Would it make sense for him to discard the ones he didn't need, instead of going for broke? Yes thats exactly what it is.It's obvious they don't share the same omniverse and thats why its non canon.
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Jun 18th, 2010 05:31 PM
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by Mr Master
Right, which is why cross-overs are only significant withIN the cross-over,
and do not in any way pertain to any relevant story
that takes place withIN the actual DC and Marvel Omniverses.
Cross-overs to me are like stories that take place in a meeting place,
outside/disconnected from the true Marvel & DC realities.
That's your unsupported opinion.
What we do know is that Krona did use ALL 12 items
to subdue that alternate Eternity and Kismet.
Except the Cosmic Egg showed up later in a canon DC story.
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Jun 18th, 2010 05:31 PM
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by Black bolt z
Ok I know Krona is a uber beats but beating thanos in a test of wills?Thats a bit of a stretch.Even doom would have problems with that and might lose.
Even being reduced to harmless, free floating energy wasn't enough to keep Krona down from his single minded, obsessive quest. He has a pretty powerful will himself.
Jun 18th, 2010 05:32 PM
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by cdtm
Even being reduced to harmless, free floating energy wasn't enough to keep Krona down from his single minded, obsessive quest. He has a pretty powerful will himself.
Was he just that powerful or was it his will?I mean thanos's will(and experience with ultimate power)allowed him to merge with HOTU.Thats a good will.
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Jun 18th, 2010 05:33 PM
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by Omega Vision
Except the Cosmic Egg showed up later in a canon DC story.
Like I give a what takes place in DC, or what comedy they wish to run.
Anyhow, quite a different Krona ey?
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Jun 18th, 2010 05:34 PM
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by Mr Master
That's your unsupported opinion.
What we do know is that Krona did use ALL 12 items
to subdue that alternate Eternity and Kismet.
Please, don't come back with more, this is undeniable.
Do I really need to post the scans?
We know he took 12 items from Grandmaster, and used those 12 items to subdue Krona and Kismet.
Saying he absolutely needed all 12 items is unproven.
Correlation does not equal causation.
Jun 18th, 2010 05:34 PM
Mr Master
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by cdtm
We know he took 12 items from Grandmaster, and used those 12 items to subdue Krona and Kismet.
Saying he absolutely needed all 12 items is unproven.
Causation does not equal correlation.
Whatever,
I'll stick to garbage depicted On Panel artwork with character narration,
you stick to self serving unsupported logic.
This is where I'm done.
Now, if you have any proof of any kind that suggest I'm wrong, bring it,
otherwise, I must ceased from a circle surely to form.
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Jun 18th, 2010 05:37 PM
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by Mr Master
Like I give a what takes place in DC, or what comedy they wish to run.
Anyhow, quite a different Krona ey?
Alright but you stated that crossovers have no effect outside of the context of a crossover, something that is patently false as shown by the Cosmic Egg appearing in DC again.
Also you seem to have an inexplicable fixation on this:
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Jun 18th, 2010 05:37 PM
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by Mr Master
Whatever,
I'll stick to garbage depicted On Panel artwork with character narration,
you stick to self serving unsupported logic.
This is where I'm done.
Now, if you have any proof of any kind that suggest I'm wrong, bring it,
otherwise, I must ceased from a circle surely to form.
With all due respect, correlation does not equal causation. If Krona collected the power items himself, maybe you'd have the higher ground. But he didn't. He simply picked them up, and used them. There was no planning on his part that he needed X amount of power.
It's really that simple. If the us army uses a tactical bomb to take out one person, does this mean a bomb is needed to kill one person?
Jun 18th, 2010 05:41 PM
Mr Master
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by Omega Vision
Alright but you stated that crossovers have no effect outside of the context of a crossover, something that is patently false as shown by the Cosmic Egg appearing in DC again.
ONLY DC on panel recognizes what took place in that nonsense,
and ONLY what pertains to DC.
Marvel's participation was not depicted in Trinity. (current DC Krona story)
So, it's patently true,
that on panel Marvel has kept that where it belongs ... in toilet bowls.
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Jun 18th, 2010 05:42 PM
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Mr. M seems to be in a bad mood...
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Jun 18th, 2010 05:44 PM
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by cdtm
With all due respect, correlation does not equal causation. If Krona collected the power items himself, maybe you'd have the higher ground. But he didn't. He simply picked them up, and used them. There was no planning on his part that he needed X amount of power.
It's really that simple. If the us army uses a tactical bomb to take out one person, does this mean a bomb is needed to kill one person?
quote: (post ) Originally posted by Mr Master
Whatever,
I'll stick to garbage depicted On Panel artwork with character narration,
you stick to self serving unsupported logic.
This is where I'm done.
Now, if you have any proof of any kind that suggest I'm wrong, bring it ,
otherwise, I must ceased from a circle surely to form.
Read the story if you haven't already.
Krona specifically states that he will bound Eternity/Kismet with his new found power. (items)
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by Mr Master
ONLY DC on panel recognizes what took place in that nonsense,
and ONLY what pertains to DC.
Marvel's participation was not depicted in Trinity. (current DC Krona story)
So, it's patently true,
that on panel Marvel has kept that where it belongs ... in toilet bowls.
So have you ever met a crossover you liked?
Pretty much all of them are imo.
Jun 18th, 2010 05:44 PM
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by Mr Master
ONLY DC on panel recognizes what took place in that nonsense,
and ONLY what pertains to DC.
Marvel's participation was not depicted in Trinity. (current DC Krona story)
So, it's patently true,
that on panel Marvel has kept that where it belongs ... in toilet bowls. The Cosmic Egg is a trademark of Marvel. Thus for DC to use the term, Marvel had to give explicit permission, which also means, they aso recognize the events of JLAvengers to be canon.
Jun 18th, 2010 05:45 PM
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by Mr Master
Read the story if you haven't already.
Krona specifically states that he will bound Eternity/Kismet with his new found power. (items)
I've read it, many times.
My argument stands.
Jun 18th, 2010 05:47 PM
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by Mr Master
ONLY DC on panel recognizes what took place in that nonsense,
and ONLY what pertains to DC.
Marvel's participation was not depicted in Trinity. (current DC Krona story)
So, it's patently true,
that on panel Marvel has kept that where it belongs ... in toilet bowls.
As seen below you clearly made a blanket statement pertaining to both:
quote: (post ) Originally posted by Mr Master
Right, which is why cross-overs are only significant withIN the cross-over,
and do not in any way pertain to any relevant story
that takes place withIN the actual DC and Marvel Omniverses.
Cross-overs to me are like stories that take place in a meeting place,
outside/disconnected from the true Marvel & DC realities.
Now you switch to the tried and true "well Marvel never recognized it so nyeh"
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Jun 18th, 2010 05:47 PM
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by Black bolt z
Mr. M seems to be in a bad mood...
The funny thing, is his argument is essentially at odds with quanchi believing the items can't stack. Because if he needed the power of all twelve items, obviously they stacked.
That means Thanos doesn't have a chance here, given CIS/PIS is off by default. Krona has the power of 12 items, stacked, without CIS/PIS...
Jun 18th, 2010 05:53 PM
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by Mr Master
It's fallacious posts like these that are upsetting me lately.
"Marvel trademark?" ...
The Cosmic Egg is a term invented by real world scientists that have been around since 1930's
to define the beginning of the Universe, how it was housed in an atom of infinite energy.
Alexander Friedmann gave it substance in the Einstein days.
And Wolverine is an animal that God created and yet Marvel has the term or name Wolverine Trade Marked. Infinity is also Trademarked as well as Eternity. Need I go on? Your argument was cute tho.
Jun 18th, 2010 05:54 PM
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