Superman 1 million was in the future for a couple of days and he was losing his powers. Prime was under a red sun for a year. Again, do the math.
Do you know how many times superman has easily defeated things that are made to kill him? How about the Kryptonite man? Metallo? Parasite? The difference between these characters and these featless random robots that Superman 1 million struggled with is that the aforementioned characters have actually come into contact with superman before. The robots have not.
The metal men? You were referring to the metal men? They're high meta at best. The only one that matters is Viridium and maybe Platinum, but even they wouldn't be considered herald level imo. Prime was taking on actual High and mid heralds while drained, such as Alan Scott, Superman, Wonder woman, Martian Manhunter, Power girl, Supergirl, Starman, etc....
That's wonderful. He has one nanosecond reaction feat. So we know he's about as fast as superman. Maybe. Wally reacted in attoseconds on panel before he even became the flash. For someone as uber as you're hyping him to be, he's not really that fast.
You seem to be forgetting that hourman, while in possession of the worlogog, was standing right next to him while he did that, and there was already some manner of vortex in front of him before he even started punching. How far did Prime punch? Far enough to retcon all of DC history. The events of IC retconed DC continuity into what it is now. So you understand why punching into the future, while a still being a good feat, isn't as good as retconing DC by hitting a wall. Also, again where did you get the 5% figure?. Or are you just making things up?
In all honesty, the only problem would be the force vision. The rest of his abilities are to ambiguous to determine whether or not they could give him the edge that he would need. With that said, 1 million has slowed a galaxy with his force vision, however, Prime has weathered galaxy and universe busters in his career, so I don't see force vision winning it for 1 million. As far as physical stats are concerned, 1 million matches (which is being far too generous), or falls short of matching Prime's physical stats by comparison. Anyway, if you want to make a thread for this, no one is stopping you. However, don't get off topic anymore than we have and derail the thread.
Anyway, responding to you is getting ridiculous, so prove:
-That Superman 1 million was 5% of his normal strength.
-That the robots that Superman 1 million fought were all Superman level.
-That the Metal Men are all Herald level.
After you prove those things, then we can address everything else. Have a good day.
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Fast enough to counter the flashes with combat speed every time. I'd say that's "being portrayed as faster". Strength, durability, and damage soak have nothing to do with his speed concerning the flashes. The fact that he is quick enough to counter them every time is enough to say that the writers are portraying him as faster or as fast as.
What are you talking about? Are you just typing to type, or do you have a specific point that I failed to grasp?
what math? who said there depowering works the same way? who said that superboy being exposed to the red sun works the same way as 1 million not being exposed to the super sun? now you are making numbers and things out of your own ass, it was stated on panel that its a matter of days until 1 million lose all his powers and becomes human if he spends those couple days without the super sun impowering him so your logic here fails, and if you want to bring it as a point prove that being exposed to the red sun for superboy prime for that period of time is that dangerous where is it stated? also superboy prime had a power suit and after that he got away from the red sun so his powers were restored because he was no longer under the red sun again you fail
about the robots 1 million didnt strugle with them at all he owned an army of those robots, and you cant asume things just because in the past superman defeated A or B with easy, superman also got bruised by freakin terminators so? the point is that 1 million while losing his powers to the point he couldnt even fly owned a whole army of huge robots that were made to fight superman by lex luthor himself who knows what he is doing so again you fail
so even with the fact 1 million was stated on panel to be much faster than any superman and was stated on panel to be faster than a speeding tachyon which is faster than the speed of light, and even with the fact he was in a different place at all and he still did the job of a nanosecond which means he had to travel to that place then he had to use his force vision to contain the bomb which is much better feat than just do something in a nanosecond you still say that maybe he is faster than ordenery superman... you are trolling and fail again
those metal man were all stated as heralds your opinion matters to me just as much as a piece of shit because it was stated that they are heralds and even 5 heralds combined got owned with easy by 1 million who lost almost all his power
and again you are wrong prime didnt change the entire history of DC he just cvhanged certein events that took place not too far away in the timeline, the things he changed didnt take too much time apart, 1 million with his first punch was able to punch 2000 years into the future and causing shockwaves thrue the entire timeline and effecting events as well only difference is prime needed a lot of punches to reach his goal which wasnt that far away while 1 million with a single puynch already punched 2000 years into the fiuture and with several he was able to punch 853 centeries which by far overshadows what prime ever did, prime hit reality in a form of a wall and 1 million hit a vortex same shit dont be hepocryte and hourman didnt help him even wonderwoman stated no one cant punch time with his bare hands that alone shows us he was doing all the work himself
ok i can clearly see you are a complete troll , 1 million got so many powers trhat he will just destroy prime, he got 5 dimension powers which include force jackets first of all provide any avidance that prime will break out of the force jacket, then he got energy manipulation, he is a very high level telepath, his force vision can hold a galaxy no problem, stopping a moving galaxy is by far harder then just lifting or destroying a galaxy so if he can stop a moving galaxy he can destroy one with easy... his force vision was able to contain solaris provide any avidance that prime is stronger than solaris , superman 1 million is by far physically stronger than prime which is showed on panel in feats ... if you choose to not accept those feats its only your own problem but it doesnt change the fact 1 million is by far stronger than prime physically and with all his powers he has way too many ways to just destroy prime ... hell he can just trap him in one of his force fields and crush him with his force vision, prime wont be able to whitstand that force
as i said before those robots were designed to fight superman by lex luthor and the writer stated it to show us how 1 million is dealing with robots that can give superman trouble otherwise there wouldnt be any point of stating that they were designed specially forsuperman
1 million lost all his powers to thepoint he didnt have his basic abilities he couldnt even fly i could even say he had less than 5% of his overall power at the end because when just ariving earth he stated he had less then half of his powers which is 50% and he still could fly and use some powers so this is very logically
you are a prime fanboy that either likes to troll or you are that ignorant to think prime can even come any near 1 millions level of power, prime got owned by half of the DC universe and even ordenery superboy game him fight , 1 million will murder him without any powers just his brute strength alone and its not a matter of opinion its a FACT now get lost
No one said that they worked the same way, in fact, I implied otherwise. You were the one arguing that. One is a matter of losing a charge, while the other is a matter of said charge being drained.
So just because Prime left the area under the red suneater, his powers magically returned? No, that's not how it works. Red solar energy is the only thing that has been shown to even remotely weaken Prime. Being even exposed to it weakens him. He was flown through a red sun in ic, which depowered him to the point of losing flight and heat vision, as well as all of his other abilities-- and then he was put under a red sun eater afterward for a year. To even imply that he wasn't depowered by this point would be asinine.
Assume things huh? Like you're assuming that just because these suits were made by lex luthor they are superman level?
Again, when have these men in robot suits ever given superman trouble? You can't just make up imaginary storylines in which featless characters suddenly gain feats.
Faster than any superman? So you think he's faster than Golden Supes then? Right.
Show me on panel where it states this. Then show me on panel where this is proven. Just because he is stated to be "faster than a speeding tachyon" using his own statements, means nothing unless he has proven himself to be. Also, again, to a flash this is nothing.
I actually laughed at that one.
Where on panel in a DC COMIC was it stated that the Metal Men are heralds? Lol, give me scans.
Btw, you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.
On panel in DC One Million issue 4 on page 11 it was stated by Wonder Woman one million "He's dying hourman! No one can shatter the time barrier with bare hands!" Hourman responds "He can Wonder Woman, with our help." as stated by the android with the worlogog.... so yes, he had help, because directly after that statement, in the next panel, he threw a punch and made it through.
Yes he did. In fact, Prime's punches were the reason for the death's and reinventions of several heroes, including superman's death, resurrection and transformation into "Superman Blue". Or even the three different versions of the legion of superheroes. His punches created all of these events. That is how DC explains the changes in continuity. Prime did it.
Superman 1 million punched his way to the 853rd century. Prime punched his way into another universe, and altered the multiverse, and created alternate universes by doing so, while weakened. Prime has the better feat.
This confirms that his punches altered DC history.
"Each time you hit the barrier, something about the Earth changes."
This confirms the damage that he did to the multiverse:
"Everything predating the re-creation of the multiverse has gone malleable thanks mostly to Mr. Mind and that Kryptonian boy's tantrums, which I still find ridiculous to believe. Punching history..."
Prime will have literally no problem breaking through any of 1 million's shields. He easily broke through three layers of Brainiac 5's shields, as well as a 300 mile thick wall of will power supported by 32 green lanterns' will. Also, if you can't prove that Superman 1 million is stronger than Prime with on panel evidence, then everything that you just said is just an unfounded opinion regarding your favorite character.
Superman 1 million didn't defeat solaris lol. Kyle did. He made it go supernova, then he blocked the effects. All Superman 1 million did was help out with his force vision, but he needed absolute concentration for that. Kyle was ultimately the one that killed solaris. But you wouldn't know that, because you only saw scans.
Show me where it states this.
Again, show me where it said anything about his powers being at 5% or even 50% or everything you've just said was a lie. I literally just re-read the series, and nothing you've said regarding percentages is true. Post scans.
Cool story bro.
Prime kicks his ass in a slugfest. Prove otherwise.
If he just countered them the entire faceoff, then it would be just that. A counter. However, he didn't just counter, he won by moving faster than they could react. Name an instance in which he was unable to counter one unamped flash.
He has to have adequate speed in order to win a majority in a flash battle as many times as he has. If this was an isolated occasion, then the argument could be made, but he has consistently countered and "won" in every confrontation he has been in with an unamped flash by using speed to counter and eventually win.
Bart absorbed the speedforce when he did that for the record.
Also, I agree that zoom can inflict a lot of damage. I said originally that superman 1 million was a problem, but after some thought I've realized that zoom is the only real threat imo.
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