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Jamie and Fury have no relation whatsoever though good friend.
Fury's not only immune to "Gods" reality warp, (MJJ was God withIN his warp according to Moore)
but he also comes with uber durability, like withstanding spatial-temporal
nullification on a cosmic scale without so much as a scratch.
It should be noted, that MJJ was in optimal conditions towards the end of the fight,
while the Fury was near exhaustion and in dire need of regeneration.
If it had lasted a few more panels, MJJ kills the Fury (crazy durability/immunity to reality warping and all)
Still, I luv Jamie, I know he's an obscure monster, but MJJ is like the crack of doom.
MJJ is the most powerful mutant imo.
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My rankings are far from perfect, but I avoided obscure characters like the ones you mentioned. With the exception of Alfie I dont have any input for the others.
Not sure what you mean by "no relation whatsoever". Im not saying that Jamie has the same level of resistance as the Fury, just that he could "tighten his strings" to become somewhat resistant to reality-warping, replicating Fury's conditions to some degree. Apart from the Psylocke example, in an Uncanny X-Men story, Jamie also actually created a Fury which was also adapting to reality warping (where time-space lost coherence), though in a limited area:
Tanking the destruction of a universe is certainly a good feat, but on the other hand, The Fury also has several low showings (in Moore's story and later on as well, im sure you know what im talking about).
Anyway; i won't disagree that Fury's durability > Jamie's, but that doesn't matter much when Jamie is highly resistant to reality warping. Because that's Jaspers most dangerous attack.
I could easily see Jamie "tighten his strings" (becoming more resistant to reality warping), to confront MJJ; on the other hand, if MJJ shapeshifts, he could resist Jamie's powers as well, so there's that.
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I been knowing that,
and I agree that Jamie can warp strings to make a person less susceptible to reality warping.
It still has no relation to the Fury.
The Fury was immune to God's power over reality. (JJ within his warp was God according to Moore)
Actually, ... Not exactly back at cha.
The Fury withstood its entire universe getting erased unscathed.
It's not Space, because Space & Time was Nullified there.
So it became Un-Space. (the opposite of Space)
Which is where Fury took Jaspers,
to the Area of the Multiverse (238) that became Un-Space.
In fact, that's how the Fury knew about that location being deserted of space-time
because it was there, floating in Un-Space.
"Fury modified itself to pursue (the preparation) unbothered by the raging Reality Warp Jaspers' powers had precipitated, it survived the destructionof its Entire Reality"
(It didn't escape the destruction ... it Survived it)
So again, the Fury tanked cosmic scale nullification without so much as a scratch,
and unknown/mysterious obstacles damaged the Fury as it physically crossed the multiverse.
Since there's absolutely no proof as to what that was exactly, there's no point in giving it another thought.
I could care less about Claremont's Fury.
In Moore's story, the only time Fury was paused, was when Zeitgeist confused it.
Zeitgeist was able to do this cause he's an abstract-type being, who exists as
much as he wants to within reality while actually being located within another reality.
Basically making him like a ghost who can attack from this ghost-like form.
While the Fury stood there, defenseless and unmoving, Technet and Brian buried it momentarily.
That aside, you would have to show me something I missed.
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^ Not sure why you're showing me scans of Fury "floating in Un-Space", nobody is disputing this part, where Fury survived the destruction of its universe. Just that it sustained heavy damage.
And the handbooks you posted also don't tell us anything. I read them already. And just because they don't specifically mention that the Fury was damaged in the process, doesn't mean it didn't. You're well aware that the handbooks don't mention everything, especially these kind of details. So your handbooks prove nothing, imo. "Withstood" means "succeed in resisting", which Fury did, but not without damaging itself in the process.
Your Captain Britain v2 #4 is the most relevant one. But see, ive already taken it into account when basing my opinion.
Fact is, there is proof. Marvunapp (like myself) also takes Captain Britain v2 #4 into consideration, and it specifically says that the Fury lost all its four limbs as a result of tanking the destruction of its universe:
"It was nearly destroyed escaping from the dying universe, losing all four limbs in the process"
I wasn't referring to Claremont's Fury, i was referring to the one shown in X-Men Die by the Sword. Im sure you'll remember what happened there. and while we've debated this before, i still stand by my opinion that its performance was awful (despite being a bit weakened due to Jaspers resisting from the inside) in that story....i mean, seriously.....Energy lances...
The Handbook (crooked world bio) I posted is 100% accurate,
the Fury did in fact and without question "withstand" the destruction of its universe, as in unharmed!
On Panel, we are told in the scan you posted it was the "Journey" that damaged it, Not the universe's death.
On Panel, we are shown (no need for handbooks) the Fury chillin in the nullified 238, ALL limbs accounted for.
On Panel, again, we are told, it had something to do with the Fury crossing The RealitieS!
** Whateva that means, it does NOT mean the Fury was damaged by reality-238's destruction.
There's nothing further to discuss here, if pride restrains anyone from admittance,
then they should slide out in silence.
Like I said, I could care less about Claremont's Fury, which ... that is.
btw, That issue was full of pot holes. Classic Fury would've eaten Brian and Albion for breakfast.
Brian stood toe to toe with Claremont's Fury and survived, and joined with Albion, damaged it,
that would've never happened with Moore's Fury son, Brian got owned like a child by Moore's Fury. (everyone did actually)
In Claremont's Fury's defense, Blink came in with all her quills when the Fury was vulnerable,
due to it getting pummeled by Albion and Brian as it tried to reassert itself.
Nah, you go see Marvuanapp to see what happened On Panel,
I'll just go straight to the On Panel action preferably.
Lordy, I already explained this situation.
So yea, those aren't the exact facts though friend.
The team Fury stomped, got stomped, and stayed stomped,
which was everyone save for 'Zeit-Geist.'
They "fought as one" against a momentarily incapacitated Fury,
after the Fury just stood there getting ripped into trying to detect the Abstract attack.
ie. They momentarily beat a Fury that wasn't fighting back or defending itself.
Why?
You only posted the scans where 'Zeit-Geist' joins the fight: (Abstract being who exists in
Another Dimension and can only manifest partially in reality when he chooses to)
Look under Powers/Abilities and we realize why/how he was able to disorient the Fury.
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Well, that was the Fury before its potential was realized, I almost forgot about that.
It was after that incident with Zeitgiest and company that Fury ended up in that uber CPU cave room,
where Fury got a ridiculous upgrade after absorbing the monster sized cpu,
enough of a boost to take on and manage to kill "God." (it was specifically noted that JJ would've easily killed the Fury otherwise)
Marvunapp isn't wrong at all. It says that the Fury escaped from its dying universe to Earth-616, which it did. If you think that Marvunapp implied that the Fury didn't actually tank universal nullification but rather had the Fury "escape narrowly", the no, i don't think that's what it's meant by. Although, the "narrowly" part, does confuse a bit.
Yeah, the handbook is correct, but not detailed. No one here is denying that Fury tanked universal nullification energies. That's what the handbooks mention. Handbooks leave out details, you know that. But going by your logic, why don't either of the handbooks mention that the Fury lost all its limbs as a result of passing parallel realities? ......Right, that's because handbooks don't mentioned every detail, just the basic story.
Anyway, if you think that i can't admit when im wrong, then that's not true. I do admit when im wrong. The last comment was unnecessary, i could say the same thing about you, because you never change your mind/admit that you're wrong, no matter what evidence is posted, from what ive seen. So yeah, let's avoid these kind of comments. That's also the exact reason i dislike debating with you at times; because when i disagree with you, you reply with hostility.
Now, i do admit that your case is stronger than mine, it just doesn't make sense to me that the Fury would withstand universal nullification without a single scratch, but apparently gets nearly destroyed as a result of hopping from one reality to another. That, and i do have at least secondary evidence to back it up, and the CB scan is a bit ambiguous anyway. If anything it also strengthens my point (that it's a very high showing), considering that it says the Fury is damaged by its flight. It also says that "its journey was not pleasant" despite the fact that in Daredevils #6, the Fury was making adjustments to prepare for its journey:
So my conclusion would be: The universal nullification severely weakened the Fury, leaving it very vulnerable; and while it hopped from one dimension to another, it finally broke. Does that not make sense? It also contradicts nothing of what was stated/shown on panel, and perfectly fits together, not to mention that it makes sense.
My mistake (i totally didn't admit that i was mistaken here, did i?), i forgot for a minute that Claremont wrote X-Men die by the Sword. I thought you were referring to Jamie's Fury because Claremont wrote the UXM The End of History arc, as well.
Yeah, i also thought that the Fury and Jaspers of that story were weaker than their original portrayals in Moore's story, i even told you this myself in a past debate, i think. Although, they're still technically the same characters (something which you pointed out yourself).
uh what? I go straight to on panel events as well, then go to Marvunapp and bios to confirm it further. I totally see Fury getting owned by the heroes, on panel. Which is further backed by the official bio.
That you did; and missed the point, apparently.
So yeah, you missed the point.
Everything you said, has nothing to do with what i said. Because all i was ever arguing, was that the Heroes managed to damage the Fury, which they did, that much is indisputable. Zeitgeist got involved, that's great. The Fury wasn't fighting back, that's also great. But i never argued otherwise, and my point still stands.
Also, nice to see you use Marvunapp, same Marvunapp which you sought to disprove in that same post of yours.
So, point is: the Heroes manage to damage the fury (scans already posted) and succeed in burying it under the rocks:
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I disagree. It's a fact that Marvuanapp is completely wrong on this.
I proved it with On Panel evidence. I can post it again.
The "narrowly" part doesn't "confuse a bit," imo ... it outright screams that they're wrong.
Handbooks also add fallacious info like the one yur selling with Marvunapp website.
Doesn't happen all the time, but it happens, like in this case.
Well of course they're not going to include every single detail, that's what the comic book is for.
Handbooks give us a broad summarized version of stories that took place on panel.
Handbook writers are human just like us, they're gonna make mistakes just like us.
Anyway, On Panel is where we get the details,
handbooks are only supposed to corroborate what took place on panel,
if they do not, then they're unacceptable as a form of evidence for a particular debate.
On Panel, we Know the Fury was damaged by the ... "Journey" ... "Flight" ... "its Violation of RealitieS"
On Panel ... the Fury was intact floating in the nullified universe.
** I already posted the on panel truth with proof.
... wow, really? ... After you read my response, I'll never see you post this gibberish again yes?
I've actually given you credit on being right and I, being wrong, on TWO separate debates in one thread:
You were right concerning a detail regarding Zom, I was wrong, I told our world.
I also took the opportunity to also give you props on the Dr Strange debate relating to #21 and the "Clusters."
Yea, that's Mr M, like I said in the thread, not the intransigent you're summing up here.
... and you wonder where my occasional limitations of patience appear from.
We were having a heated debate too, and I still exhibited humility.
On a side note, my so called "hostility" is usually me biting back,
if not, it's due to frustration when dealing with intransigence.
1) Thanx for acknowledging the strength of my case.
2) You don't have a "secondary" evidence of any kind though opr. (you only have the Marvunapp website mis-interpretation)
3) We have no idea what the Fury went through as it journeyed across the multiverse.
It's not like it was from one universe (238) to another (616) btw,
the scan not only indicates the Fury crossed universeS (plural) before reaching 616,
but it also strongly suggests that while crossing, something was going down
where the Fury was "Violating RealitieS" ...
That reads to me like, one) the Fury was wrecking shop as it entered different universes,
and getting attacked in the processed, by who or what who knows.
This could've persisted across 100s, millions, who knows how many realitieS.
Or, two) a less likely scenario, Fury was violating cosmic law by crossing universal barriers?
Fury was damaging them? Damaging itself?
Just an opinion based on the context of the dialogue in the scan.
4) I don't see how the scan showing the Fury preparing adds anything.
The Fury "prepared" itself to fly into the cosmos, but it had no idea what it would encounter,
so it couldn't prepare for that.
* opr, we'll really never know what that means exactly, but we know for sure it had nothing to do with 238's death.
I disagree. Since On Panel no such thing is evident or alluded to.
opr, friend, you're forcing your reason based on the website cause you want it to be correct, but it's wrong.
Let this one go and give Mr M his love.
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You call that "seeing the heroes owning the Fury?" ... "totally" no less? Or even "damaging" the Fury?
All I see is the heroes getting owned, some killed, until Zeitgeist confused the Fury,
because the Fury needed more time to adapt to this special case (Zeitgeist)
leaving the Fury as a helpless statue.
THEN, and only then, do I see the heroes putting down the Fury.
The Fury that wasn't fighting back or defending itself that is.
We really "saw" the difference between the two.
So yea, my posts were 100% accurate. The Fury was putting on a clinic until Zeitgeist showed up.
And I don't see any hero "damage" the Fury in any way, not even Fascination who got the best hit. Yep, only Zeitgeist. (abstract being)
Actually I didn't miss anything. You can deflect if you wish though.
Anyway, I addressed the incorrect info posted directly.
You told me to "see the Marvuanapp bio specifically crediting the heroes for damaging the Fury." huh?
Because, I rather believe them than my own two eyes.
I already submitted Zeitgeist was the only one of significance there, everyone else got owned.
I've been using Marvunapp years before you came into this site homie.
I'll continue to use Marvuapp and actual Handbooks as long as they adhere to On Panel evidence.
I have always said that, everyone who knows about me knows this is true.
Yet, I have also said, that sometimes Handbooks and Marvunapp can be wrong,
and this isn't the first time I prove it. I have proven in other debates not concerning you.
I disagree. I posted the actual facts right above.
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1) True legion (every power imaginationable plus insane reality warping)
2) MJJ
3) Adult Franklin Richards
4) Marquis of Death
5) Jamie Braddock
6) Matthew Malloy
7) New Sun
8) Hyperstorm
9) Shaman Nate Grey
10) Full power Cable
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Feb 22nd, 2014 07:43 PM
... uhh, hmm, I didn't see the Fury escape from the dying or dead universe, in fact, it's right there still AFTER nullification.
