While I agree on flight speed not equalling combat speed, everything else you argue, the only alternative to you not being a lying troll is a hilarious inability to comprehend something pretty basic about comics. You're reminding me of Jon Jones and how him lying about Viagra being the reason he failed a drug test actually made it worse for him.
__________________ Bluewaterrider: "I'm surprised that a Skyfather like Zeus defeated Hulk when Zeus' Top-Tier son Hercules has lost to Hulk."
I specifically pointed out that there was surprise involved. And anyway, it's not like he grabbed Nova by the back of the neck and simply towed him along, he had him from in front(by the throat) at arm's length and then threw him. If anything Surfer coming from behind, reversing direction, grabbing, and then throwing him without actually being seen is even more impressive than just rushing in from in front but just outside of max visual range at top speed and doing the job.
Hey you were the one who said he attacked from behind, I thought I was just remembering it wrong lol. Still an impressive showing of h2h combat speed however you slice it.
A grab and throw is a h2h maneuver requiring multiple deliberate/coordinated muscle actions. It's not like just running into him with his board or anything like that, he grabbed him by the throat and threw him... that's not a bullrush.
When you do that to someone who has super speed themselves and they don't even actually see you and instead think they got hit by some kind of energy blast... it's impressive. Keep in mind, I'm not saying it's the most impressive combat speed feat out there, just that it exist and is impressive. Now I don't expect YOU to admit that it's impressive because it totally contradicts your stance on Surfer's combat speed, but to the unbiased... it's noteworthy at the very least.
Again, I already acknowledged there was surprise involved. Surfer still grabbed him and threw him so fast that Nova didn't know what happened... ergo, still impressive combat speed. And yes, Surfer didn't blitz him like again in the fight, but that kind of thing happens all the time in comics. Slowing down is just one way writers can further the plot and/or make the fight last more than a panel or two(happens to Flash all the time). Also, you gotta remember that the WM was helping Nova in regards to the rest of the fight. Which actually adds to the impressiveness of the initial blitz if you think about it. Apparently he opened up going so fast the the WM wasn't able to shout out a warning to evade or throw up a shield to protect Rich like is was later on. Again, I don't expect you to ever admit to such a thing, I was pointing out the feat for those who were actually willing to see it for what it was(obviously not you).
I've never said I was unbiased in regards to Surfer, though I do actually work at keeping it in check. Hell I was the one who was always telling folks that Supes would at least make Surfer work for the win back when a lot of folks were making matchups between the two out to be stomps in Surfer's favor.
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Yes, surprised. That's why he couldn't react in time. If your entire argument is based on Surfer surprising Nova, you might as well give Deathstroke Flash level superspeed.
It certainly didn't happen because Surfer was faster in combat.
If you are unaware, World mind was not at full capacity in that fight. So no, you can't extrapolate it to further level.
And yet, you give Surfer 8-9/10 against Superman. Certainly not biased.
Abhi won't ever see it. He's lost. The best part is he used to believe Surfer wins the majority himself but criticizes you for the same opinion. Talk about some major hypocrisy right there.
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Bluewaterrider: "I'm surprised that a Skyfather like Zeus defeated Hulk when Zeus' Top-Tier son Hercules has lost to Hulk."
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