meh, during the single issue in which mxy was 'depowered' he was still able to manifest some of his abilities. that said, it seemed [both depiction and story wise] like he simply forgot how to use his powers, rather than them being in any way 'removed'. regardless, all he had to do was return to the 5th dimension, and *poof* all his powers returned.
he lost both his memories and most o his powers (he said he still had "a few tricks left" or somethin)
anyways it show Specter is able to affect the 5D imps, just depend how generous Presence is feeling ^^
also dint Zatana also depower mxy? (im pretty sure shes < Specter)
1.) mxy's single-issue-long memory loss is why he was momentarily 'depowered'.
2.) the only reason spectre was able to affect him at all is because he was on earth when the 'magic purge' took place. that's why, when he returned to the 5th dimension, all of his powers were restored.
3.) no. she hasn't.
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1 but thats speculatin? all we know is mxy coudnt use most of his powers so simplest explenation is he dint have them. fact it state on panel he had a few tricks *left* means he lost his other tricks
2 sure but he still affected the imp
3 oh then it wuz some1 else but it was a witch or somethin (Final Crisis issue iirc)
1.) or he only had a few tricks left, because those were all he could remember. afterall, the issue was pretty clear that mxy was certainly not in his 'normal' frame of mind.
2.) what's better; spectre momentarily causing imp-amnesia? or emperor joker [with mxy's power] literally replacing spectre, then warping him into a bird-esque form/imprisoning him in a cage?
3.) it was annataz from an issue of "countdown". if you actually read the issue, you'll find that it was specifically mentioned that her magic was not as powerful as mxy's. so tell me, how does it make any sense that she would be able to negatively affect him?
rhetorical question - it makes no sense. that instance literally defines PIS [which isn't used amongst the forums.]
but theres many vilains not in normal frame of mind but they can still use there tricks (like a certain "mad" warper in MU ^^)
that mxy lost his pwoers is simplest explenation unless they clearly state he forgot *how* to use them wich they dint
imo EJ pwning Specter only means Specter was not full powered (else ima call that pis too lol)
All interesting points Galan but let me ask you this.... We have people below others all the time who are able to effect the other. Thor is clearly below Thanos and yet he's been able to effect him or inflict some damage even if minimal. Thanos clearly below Galactus and yet hes been able to blast him out of shit ship and tumbling across a moon. Just because somebody is stated or known to be below somebody else doesn't mean they can't get the jump on someone or have certain powers that can work on someone above them right? That doesn't always means it's PIS. Inferior teams or players do on occasion beat a team KNOWN to be better then them for a variety of reaons and comic books are no different. I do get your point though, I'm just saying just because someone is stated below somebody doesn't mean tney can't get the better of another
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i'm not talking about a weaker character inflicting minimal damage to a stronger character. i'm talking about one character [who's power was specifically stated to be MUCH weaker] being able to muck with a more powerful character's energies - rendering said [stronger] character unable to use the bulk of their power.
in no way/shape/form does that make an iota of sense. as i said before, the very deninition of PIS can be difenied from that instance.
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Last edited by Galan007 on Aug 10th, 2009 at 10:43 PM
i understand your point... However, isn't it possible when dealing with magical/reality warpers/genie types that things like this can occur. Strange could and has cast spell that has messed up or rendered them ineffective. Isn't it possible that said powerful person doesn't know ALL the the loop holes and can be tampered with or have their powers taken away until they figure out how to defeat it. It seems when dealing with magicians/reality warpers/genies etc etc that often times "spells" can be cast by weaker individuals that muck up a stronger one until they figure out how to overcome it. I get your point but don't think all instances like that are blanket PIS, especially when dealing with these types of powers on this scale.
i disagree. i do not think it's reasonable that a less powerful magician is able to negatively affect the energies of a stated FAR more powerful character. especially when that character's power operates on a dimensional plane MUCH higher than what the other magician is used to. *shrug*
granted, the final few pages of said issue made it seem like everything that had transpired was nothing but a joke to mxy... but it's just the principal of the thing lol.
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Aug 10th, 2009 06:37 PM
then it wuz some1 else but it was a witch or somethin (Final Crisis issue iirc)
