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Galan007
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Seems Reed is the best user of the UN. He's certainly done the most on panel with it. We go by feats here.
Yep, and an Incomplete IG pwned all of the UN's energies.


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Yep, and an Incomplete IG pwned all of the UN's energies.


Oh you did not just go there sister!


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Oh you did not just go there sister!
laughing out loud

That's as far as I go.... I refused to get back into this..


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Yep, and an Incomplete IG pwned all of the UN's energies.

All of the UN's energies at the time only focus on destroying one target, who didn't know what he was doing. Now Show me the IG pwning the UN being used in a multiversal way by Reed and I"ll shut up.


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All of the UN's energies at the time only focus on destroying one target, who didn't know what he was doing. Now Show me the IG pwning the UN being used in a multiversal way by Reed and I"ll shut up.
A being with cosmic awareness doesn't know what he's doing?

That's weird... confused



And I like the scan of Utau pleading with Reed to disassemble the IG because it was too powerful and beyond his understanding...


Yet Utau didn't plead with Richards to not use the UN because it was too powerful now did he? smile


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A being with cosmic awareness doesn't know what he's doing?

That's weird... confused



And I like the scan of Utau pleading with Reed to disassemble the IG because it was too powerful and beyond his understanding...


Yet Utau didn't plead with Richards to not use the UN because it was too powerful now did he? smile


UM and then REED showed everyone that he did understand about the IG by breaking it up and giving the gems to his members. He showed incredible will and understanding. Too bad Uatu was shown to be wrong. Nice try tho. Quasar didn't have cosmic awareness in that arc.


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There's no such thing as the full unleashed multiversal power of the UN.


There's just the UN,

if you set it to rub out one person, then it does that,

if you set it to rub out the Multiverse, then it does that,

No difference in power output, only Range. smile


Nullification is nullification.


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The UN does the same thing to one individual, like Korvac's body,

as it does to one Galaxy, like when Morg used it in Galactus' ship.

as it does to one Concept as it did to Universal Death in Earth X

as it does to one Universe, like in the Black Celestial Arc, or Korvac's Reality

as it does to a Multiverse, like in the Abraxas arc.


In all these instances the same reaction occurs, the subject or target is Nullified,

no more and no less whether your erasing a single person or the entire Multiverse.



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UM and then REED showed everyone that he did understand about the IG by breaking it up and giving the gems to his members. He showed incredible will and understanding.
lol.


Dude, Reed broke up the IG, because he COULDN'T control/understand it...


Reed can fully comprehend the power of the UN, but he cannot comprehend the IG, this is apparent if you actually read Illuminati #2.


That right there says enough. smile


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NOw prove it. Show me where it states that the UN operates on the same lvl of power all of the time when, galactus, whom it is a part of, does not operate on the same lvl of power all the time. Please show me how the UN can be so consistant in it's power lvl when the creature to whom it is part of, does not. Nuff said.


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lol.


Dude, Reed broke up the IG, because he COULDN'T control/understand it...


Reed can fully comprehend the power of the UN, but he cannot comprehend the IG, this is apparent if you actually read Illuminati #2.


That right there says enough. smile


And yet, Thanos said any dumbwitted idiot could understand the IG after a while of using it. So which is it? Is reed actually Dumber than say Nebula?


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UM and then REED showed everyone that he did understand about the IG by breaking it up and giving the gems to his members. He showed incredible will and understanding. Too bad Uatu was shown to be wrong. Nice try tho.


laughing

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Quasar didn't have cosmic awareness in that arc.


Regardless,

Quasar has travelled the Cosmos far more than Reed,

Quasar has actually travelled OUTSIDE of the Prime Multiverse into another Multiverse.

Quasar has a better understanding of the Cosmos than Reed.



Quasar, should be able to handle the UN in a more effective manner than Reed,

cause the UN is all about being able to visualize the area your Nullifying, by definition, Quasar rules in this department, Quasar has dealt with and experience the Cosmos in a more intimate fashion than Reed.


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lol.


Dude, Reed broke up the IG, because he COULDN'T control/understand it...


Reed can fully comprehend the power of the UN, but he cannot comprehend the IG, this is apparent if you actually read Illuminati #2.


That right there says enough. smile


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And yet, Thanos said any dumbwitted idiot could understand the IG after a while of using it. So which is it? Is reed actually Dumber than say Nebula?
Have you even read the IG arcs?

Nebula couldn't comprehend the IG, yet she still pwned the heierarchy, simply because of the IG's raw power.




Utau and Reed himself agreed that he couldn't control the Gauntlet, that with it he would destroy everything.... So he separated it.



See?

Reed can comprehend and fully control a lesser weapon [the UN]

But Reed CANNOT comprehend nor fully control a more powerful weapon [the IG]



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And yet, Thanos said any dumbwitted idiot could understand the IG after a while of using it. So which is it? Is reed actually Dumber than say Nebula?


It's not about intelligence,

it's about WILL.

Considering that Nebula is a Titan and she's related to Thanos,

I wouldn't be surprised if atleast her WILL is above Reed's.


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Regardless,

Quasar has travelled the Cosmos far more than Reed,

Quasar has actually travelled OUTSIDE of the Prime Multiverse into another Multiverse.

Quasar has a better understanding of the Cosmos than Reed.



Quasar, should be able to handle the UN in a more effective manner than Reed,

cause the UN is all about being able to visualize the area your Nullifying, by definition, Quasar rules in this department, Quasar has dealt with and experience the Cosmos in a more intimate fashion than Reed.


He should be. According to whom? Was it not Reed's intelligence that pwned the abstracts including the LT?


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Have you even read the IG arcs?

Nebula couldn't comprehend the IG, yet she still pwned the heierarchy, simply because of the IG's raw power.




Utau and Reed himself agreed that he couldn't control the Gauntlet, that with it he would destroy everything.... So he separated it.



See?

Reed can comprehend and fully control a lesser weapon [the UN]

But Reed CANNOT comprehend nor fully control a more powerful weapon [the IG]



smile


actually The UN isn't a lessor weapon. it's less complicated. A snipers rifle is much harder to use and be less effective than a cannon. A connon is far less complicated And yet a cannon causes much much more dmg. Nice try tho.


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actually The UN isn't a lessor weapon. it's less complicated.
Riiiight, because it's not like Reed had to think about resetting the Multiverse with it or anything. roll eyes (sarcastic)





Anyhow,


The Watcher Uatu pleads with Reed Richards to separate the IG...


"Man was not meant to wield this kind of power, it's beyond your understanding"
(Uatu is saying this to the same guy that used the UN to destroy/recreate the Multiverse).

"You will destroy EVERYTHING":
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You didn't see Uatu telling Reed that he shouldn't use the UN because it was beyond his understanding, now did you? no




IG > UN




This is apparent to all but one. confused


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Riiiight, because it's not like Reed had to think about resetting the Multiverse with it or anything. roll eyes (sarcastic)





Anyhow,


The Watcher Uatu pleads with Reed Richards to separate the IG...


"Man was not meant to wield this kind of power, it's beyond your understanding"
(Uatu is saying this to the same guy that used the UN to destroy/recreate the Multiverse).

"You will destroy EVERYTHING":
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You didn't see Uatu telling Reed that he shouldn't use the UN because it was beyond his understanding, now did you? no




IG > UN




This is apparent to all but one. confused


Seems like he is saying Man as in Mankind was not meant to understand it's power. he was generalizing and taking it out on Reed. sorry I'm not buying it. And we all know that the IG is much more versatile. I have said this many times. It's still not more powerful. Unless you can SHOW ME the ig Stopping the UN after it has been established that the UN was multiversal in scope. And then I'd have to see someone try to unmake the Multiverse with the UN adn be stopped by the IG.


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Seems like he is saying Man as in Mankind was not meant to understand it's power. he was generalizing and taking it out on Reed. sorry I'm not buying it.
Digging deep, ey? erm




And FYI,

Utau also uses the words "you" and "your", referring solely to Reed.


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He should be. According to whom?


I dunno,

an entire Quasar series that spans about 60 issues perhaps. confused

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Was it not Reed's intelligence that pwned the abstracts including the LT?


Nah,

it was the LT's power combined with the Cosmics that pawned the LT and Cosmics.


What Reed did was a fluke,

he shot the canon into a concentration of power being expelled by the LT and Cosmics.

Then with the LT and Cosmics unleashing their power coupled with Reed's Canon, a feedback was caused that blew the the LT and Cosmics into other Universes.


Essentially they pawned themselves. smile


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