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What the **** does Superman, Not holding back being a match for DS have to do with him not being a high end skyfather? Not a damned thing. DS Superman is his PHYSICAL match. Nothing more. Or hadnt' you noticed that desaad has been playing superman like a fiddle. Darkseid>>>>Desaad.
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ON Top of the fact that Superman remembers his life PRECRISIS. PC Supers is Superman. THus DS and Superman being physical equals, as well as Orion, puts them far above Any top tiers listed in the tier guide.
Superman remembering his pre crisis life due to the legion mind**** he recently received doesn't make him pre crisis Superman. The crisis still happened, the multiverse still changed. He's still not as powerful as he once was.
An all-star Olympic athlete can be hit by a car, rendering him a quadriplegic -- and while he might be able to remember how fast he once was, nothing will change the fact that he will more then likely never be able to run that fast again.
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HMM. YOu may be correct. But SUperman is still hella holy stronger than let's say Odin. Does that make Odin less than a skyfather?
On another note, we'll have to see how clark measures up to the JSA superman. Becuz that superman was far more powerful than Pre IC superman. He had years of solar absorbtion. ALL the Justice league members were more powerful. So if current supers is his match, well, Our hiearchy is shit. Cuz we dont' know where to place anyone. Just look at how Orion is a physical match for clark, and look where he's at.
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Why don't you read up a few issues of Surfers 3rd series, his 2nd and 4th series, heck why not pick all of em up, incl. his appearances .. Yahh'll start appreciating CA, and be one of its biggest supporter ..
So anybody who forced FS to transform/merged back to forth from its host is equall to DS? Cause in a way they're actually missing w/ the matrix..
Ive never said anything about Surfer pulling anyone out of the matrix but rather him merging w/ it/FS by his own.. In my last post ive listed a few time when the matrix has been access by others and that included a blast that turned back FS to Raymond (ronnie) and forcibly merged another to the matrix; taken from your own logic nuclear bomb = DS..
Im taking Unilord >>>>>>> FS matrix... But to each his own..
Actually they're not, all those feats/showing where taken from each chars. respected title.. Since both this char. have never meet before we can only compare similarities/weakness that could've work in there own advantages in this fight..
Actually Stein also made a statement that FS/matrix is a tool..
I'll see if i can find some scans of this..
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In ORion's own series, he was able to use his astro force for magnetism. IN the DOTN he calls the harness to him and uses a blast immediately against Superman. He's also shown superspeed. IF he is EVENLY matched with superman, what does that tell you? He's certainly not the hulk. ANd that showing in Firestorm would simply be illogical writing or a low showing.
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.. Yahh'll start appreciating CA, and be one of its biggest supporter 
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