Sweet, now did I argue those? But he still said Sabretooth had ALL advantages when he doesn't. Your kinda missing the point
He did say it multiple times sans strength.
He dodges Walter's attack as he was in AIR, which is very easy to do as a person without the ability to fly can't change their direction in mid-air. It's the exact same situation with Captain America when he dodged Quicksilver, or when Iron Fist dodged Sentry. The other people are faster, but they were dodged does that make Captain America faster then Quicksilver. Look at Flash's rogues. So no it doesn't validate anything
Ummm...what? Seriously? So I didn't mention the snowball feat that makes me bias? Even though I didn't even mention how Sabretooth fought dirty himself? Seriously? Your calling me biased? Lulz, I left it ambiguous as anyone can fight dirty in a fight and both tactics could easily be repeated.
You mentioned Wolverine did better then Sasquatch and Snowbird even in Wendigo form but neglected to mention Snowbird was weakened and nearly dying and Walter really only fought him for like a second.
Sweet, now where did I make that claim?
No it personally said she did it, and even in the issue where she fought Wolverine with Morph she even said she could still do it again. So if she could do it again do you seriously believe she had help? as she was pretty sure she could do it again even in her own words.
But your using the example of her when she fought Wolverine when she was clearly emotional distraught about it as a guage of a serious fight between the two. Why?
She was enraged? What? and no in the same issue it even talks about how Heather is emotionally distraught about having to fight and kill her husband...again. This was stated, and even in the last page she is grateful she got teleported away as she didn't want to have to do it again. She even talks about it issues later about how it was hard for her emotionally. That's a HUGE thing of context your ignoring.
The Wolverine's claw measurement actually came from the comics and a marvel directory. Also yeah I suppose it depends on the artist as at times he doesn't have as big as nails. Sabretooth is like 6'6" I think?
Aye aye I know, hence why I think he is class 10. You missed the point
Contradictions much?
"He said he has all the advantages..... well he said he has all the advantages sans strength"
Again I must have missed the part where he said Sabes has "all" the advantages....
He may have said every advantage sans strength but that was well after the post that I responded to and not completely without merit anyway.
When streets dodge speedsters, they usually do it while they're being attacked with a linear attack that starts from a distance.
Wasn't the case with Sas and Sabretooth. Sas attacked from a short distance and he nearly got gutted. I can't believe you're going to argue that it doesn't show Sabretooth as superior in anything there...
If you're going to sit there and tell Starscream his opinion is invalid because of the results of that fight (after he resorted to cheating)? YES.
Yeah, but you don't see anyone arguing that Sabretooth is > Sasquatch because he hit him from behind... You on the other hand.
And got owned.. and I don't remember it being stated anywhere that she was weakened and dying..I remember that being your speculation... On panel evidence?
When you tried to invalidate his Wolverine point by stating "And we all know how Wolverine faired".... it's the implication...
Under what circumstances? You don't know.. that's the point.
HYPORBOLE.....
Deadpool says he's the worlds greatest lover.
Wolverine says he's the best there is.
Sabretooth thought he could beat Thor.
What she SAID doesn't take precedence over what she DID.... and what she DID was lose to Wolverine and get sent running even though Morph was there to back her up.
What aweful, aweful, aweful logic...
So what she THINKS she can do takes precedence over what we've seen ON PANEL huh?
I guess Wolverine really CAN take the Hulk...
It was a full of shit statement seeing how she tried and LOST....
BULLSHIT... there was NO emotional distraughtment when she started pounding into him... you're full of it.
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She said that AFTER the fight.. when she speculated that she'd be able to beat Wolverine again.. NOT DURING THE FIGHT SHE LOST.
She talks about how killing him before was hard, how having to do it again would have been.. Not anything about that particular fight that I can recall...
I'll have to meander around for a measurement but I thought it had been stated somewhere.
No I get wha you were trying to do, but he already said he needed me to come in and clear it up for certain.
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Contradiction much? Uuuuuh..I even said multiple times in the thread Starscream said every advantage sans strength. Read the thread
What? No he said it before you even posted. He even said no joke he would shrug off Sasquatch strikes as he did it with Ms.Marvel and Rogue, as Sasquatch is ABIT stronger then classic Rogue and Ms.Marvel. Seriously read his posts.
That's not what happened with Iron Fist and Sentry as they were very close together and the same with Captain America and Quicksilver. Also read Flash comics. I can't believe your calling me biased when that little thing doesn't show anything for anyone when characters who are faster then a oppoent they lunged at got fooled. Seriously look at the mirror before you call anyone biased
Ummm...what? Did you even read what I have wrote? Like seriously?
I did, prove it? Seriously you keep missing the point
It says it in the very next page from the scan you posted. Literally it says it and Snowbird even mentions she is greatly weakened as her connection to the Gods was cut off. It was directly said multiple times
Properly wasn't much to it, as she was still sure she could do it again and was happy she didn't have to do it again as noted thanks to be teleported.
Again lulz, as noted and noted in multiple issues she killed her husband ie. Wolverine before. Hence why she felt she had grounds she could do it again. Seriously your calling me biased? This is silly.
Lulz, yeah let's ignore the fact SHE DID it before, and mentioned even after this fight to Morph and her fellow Exiles how it was hard she had to kill her first husband. So
She tried to kill him there? No. She even tried to calm him down, so maybe you should reread the issue
Lulz, except if you ignore the part she talks to Morph about it being hard.
Growling is enraged? Holy mother I guess Walter, Batman (even did a scream like that), Wolverine is enraged at all times. Even in the next page she was pretty cool and calm. So no she wasn't enraged at all
Yeah the part where she was emotionally upset about having to do again.
Later on she talks to Morph issues later about the fight, and she mentions how emotionally how it was hard. However, in the issue it mentioned it was hard for her as well.
Everything changes in comics, but 100% that was the measurement I got. I think they even mention the same measurement in the old handbooks as Wolverine's claws got a section. In the Marvel Cards (silly I know) list him with that measurement as well.
You've said several times EVERY ADVANTAGE PERIOD in the posts I've been responding to.. feel free to backtrack though.
Considering that he DID shrugg off Walts blows I don't see where that argument loses it's credability.
hmmmm nope.. you're still bias... I realize that when characters benefit from the Mungi love all the sudden the wrecking crew's a legitimate threat to Thor and Herc, that Moonknight's resistant to Wolverine's claws, and that Sas>the World.. but if you think that panel didn't prove one thing between the two, then you're straight up delusional as well...
Could prove a number of things, that Sabretooth's faster, a better fighter, a better tactician, has better reflexes, etc etc... to say it doesn't prove anything when it at the very least proved that the one even sided exchange they've ever had with one another showed Sabretooth> Sasquatch is in a word ridiculous.
You're arguing that his points were flawed because Sasquatch "beat" Sabretooth even though you ignored him cheating... I don't need you to tell me this anyone with basic reasoning skills can figure it out.
She didn't make one mention of it greatly affecting her while she was fighting Mauvous.
And what's Sasquatches excuse again?
Um... no....
I read it loud and clear...
Starscream posts Sabretooth's advantages your response? "tell that to Wolverine or better yet Sabretooth"
Starscream posts Sabretooth>Wolverine, your response? "And we all know how Wolverine faired"
Starscream posts his opinion that Sabretooth is faster, your response? "He's tagged Wolverine and Sabretooth with ease" (ignoring ALL of those occassions as being cheap shots and not indicative of speed.. AT ALL.
So if your point wasn't that Sas>these characters.. than what was it?
Wait.. do you hear that? Sounds like..... I know that sound anywhere! It's BACKPEDDLING!
So once again..Sasquatches hyporole> ON PANEL FIGHTS THAT CONTRADICT HER....
?
Yeah that's logical...
"Under what circumstances? You don't know that's the point"..
Yes I'm calling you bias.. and yes this is silly since you don't understand why what she SAID doesn't take precedence over what she did... And what she did was FAIL.
When there isn't ONE PANEL of the fight to draw context from, when the next fight we actually SEE her have with Wolverine she's losing? Yes, let's ignore hyporbole..
You're gonna go down! And you're gonna stay down! And you have no idea how sorry I am!
Yes. She tried to kill him. Maybe you should reread the comic, WITHOUT your Sasquatch blinders.
About the premise of having to kill him again? Inconsequential.
About having killed him before? Inconsequential...
So yes, we'll ignore that as well since NEITHER OF THOSE HAD TO DO WITH THE FIGHT SHE ENGAGED IN AND WAS LOSING.
Pretty cool and calm?
Dude, the narrative even suggests she was giving herself over to the animal at that point.. so yes enraged... You're delusions are incredible.
We already went over this.. She was talking about her incident before, and her speculation after she didn't reference the fight they had.
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How am I backtracking when I have even explained it multiple times earlier?
Lulz so you think Sasquatch is only ABIT stronger then Rogue? Also he really didn't he even was on the ground, and don't say he was smiling that makes it ok. As even when MMA fighters get hit and smile it means they have been hurt.
Wrecking Crew has always been a threat to Thor and Herc as shown, and MK did take Wolverine's claws as shown (even later it showed no damage to his armor), and where did I say Sasquatch > world as there are many MANY MANY threads where I have said Walter loses. There are many many many people Walter would lose to, but when I say he beats Sabretooth when even the majority of the thread agrees that somehow means I think Walter can take the world? So you can't counter that point so you try to attack my credibility?
Your telling me jumping at someone and missing proves all that? I guess Trickster is faster then the Flash after all or Iron Fist and Sentry. It's not even an exchange, it was a slash against Walter when he couldn't even alter his direction in mid-flight. Like are you serious?
Ignored? I didn't even mention how Sabretooth fought dirty or how he attacked him from beind. As I mentioned I left it vague as those tactics could be repeated, but apparently in your mind Walter's dirty tactic is the end of the world, but say nothing about Sabretooth. Walter used his smarts
Do you seriously need things spelled out for you? Mauvais ALREADY had the barrier blocking the Gods, Mauvais made the barrier stronger which made Snowbird weaker FURTHER. So with the barrier already up and running and blocking Snowbird's people you seriously believe she wasn't affected? Even though she says, "The connection to my people FURTHER weakened..as..am..I" saying she is being furthered weakened
Correct, because Sasquatch has gotten the slip over Wolverine before and Walter pulled the same tactic Sabretooth did and did better doing so. Sabretooth fought dirty, which your ignoring and focusing on Walter cheated but it somehow is ok for Sabretooth? Hmmm...I'm biased?
He has tagged them with ease, and after he tagged Wolverine in the second fight he continued to tag him multiple times until Wolverine put the grub on him and freed him from the mind control.
In different areas yes Walter is better, and others they are better. That's not backpeddling as I have said the same thing pages ago Nice tactic though
What on panel fights contradict her? You talking about the first your ignoring the context of? Brilliant
Oh the irony
actually WRONG, the conversation with Morph she had in that issue and later shows she was distaught about having to fight her husband. The conversations gave context later on and it was SHOWN and STATED it was emotionally hard for her.
Isn't one-panel? We see how the fight ends and how she is holding Wolverine's dead body, and quotes and talks confirm it was her and confirmed she believed she could do it again. So if she could do it again, that shows she didn't have help
That doesn't mean she was trying to kill him, that means she was holding him down literally trying to calm him and FIGHTING him is hard for her as he is her first husband and that's why it's hard for her. She even held him down and stopped attacking proving that point.
Haha no she didn't, prove she tried to kill Wolverine there. Seriously show she was trying to kill Wolverine when they first fought.
Wrong again she even mentioned it in that same issue and issues later it was emotionally hard for her. She was upset about having to fight her husband almost in the exact same state she had to kill him in before
What did the narrative say then? Becaus she even tried talking to Wolverine, now if she was enraged you think she would keep pounding yes?
No it's not speculation as Morph and her talk about is issues later and she says it was emotionally hard for her
How in the WORLD did you conclude that my assertion that he shrugged off Sasquatches hits means I think he's only a bit stronger than Rogue? No, he's a few times stronger than her, but Sabretooth would shrug his blows off nonetheless. I don't see how you would even begin to think that this is contestable... I mean on one hand there's regular Sabretooth before Weapon X standing up to Rogue's punches, Warbird smacking him with a steel girder, and even took blows from Killpower (a guy who stalemated Herc in arm wrestling) without much effect.
Then you look at Wolverine who has a long running history of doing just that and standing up to brick shots and he's basically Sabretooth-lite.
Basically take Wolverine, up his natural durability a few times over increasing the sinew of his muscles, and add a notch or two to his healing factor and you get Sabretooth.. There should really be no question that he'd stand up to Sasquatches hits.. and that's ignoring the fact that he already has.. And yes he was on the ground, cause he was strewn there. He got right back up. He wasn't the worse for wear so I fail to see how he WOULDN'T be able to take Sasquatches hits.
Not in a legit fight as shown.
Which is why MK let out an YARRRG with red running down Logan's claws? It was an inconsistent artistic flub nothing more.
That last comment was an exaggeration simply because you DO talk Sasquatch up a bit, no need to get so hurt about it.
Uh no, I'm telling you that it could prove one to any number of those things but to say it proves nothing is sheer tomfoolery.
You're misinterpretations of my arguments seem to reflect that of the comic panels being discussed here.
You're completely talking in circles...
Exactly, why would you bring that up? Especially since you think Sasquatch won the fight. But you DID bring up that Sasquatch was winning... Your neglect for how was bias plain and simple.
For someone who wants to talk about missing the point....
Look, if Sasquatch won because he cheated than physical factors weren't the only things that played a part in the fight.... Therefore you can't say that Starscream's assertion that Sabretooth would win based on his physical advantages don't mean anything because Sasquatch gained an advantage in the only fight had while ignoring how he got that advantage.... It's pretty simple.
I'm sorry, I should have clarified. I would think that while she was affected, she wasn't effected to the degree she was when the blockade was compounded upon. I think sheer logic would dictate this. I also think that if Snowbird wasn't powerful enough to use Wendigo's abilities when she went after Mauvais, she would not have been able to become him in the first place.
However this is speculation on both are parts since we only saw her severly affected after the blockade was compounded upon well after he fought and failed with Mauvais.
Again, Sasquatches excuse would be what?
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I'm correct that your backpeddling? Or I'm correct that your evidence of sneak attacks means you think Sasquatch>These characters even though that evidence isn't indicitive of the factors being discussed?
Sasquatch getting the drop on Wolverine doesn't mean Sasquatch>Wolverine.. it means he got the drop on Wolverine...
And more effective? Excuse me, maybe back in the 70's.... The last time Sas got the drop on Logan all he got out of him was a "Hi Walt."
And no one is saying it's okay for Sabes to get the drop on characters but not for Sasquatch to cheat that's just more of your jumping the gun on making wildly inaccurate conclusions on what's being discussed here.. On the other hand you don't see people pulling out evidence of cheating to establish points regarding legitimate fights do you.
Using your logic we can just as easily say:
The fight with Sabretooth and Sasquatch was inconclusive.
Sasquatch lost to Wendigo.
Wendigo lost to Sabretooth.
So yes, you ARE bias when you're arguing that Sasquatch> Wolverine and Sabes using cheating as evidence of it WHILE suggesting that the Wendigo Sabes fought was a weaker version even though he "beat" Sasquatch Mungi style.
LOL
Ridiculous..
With ease? Yeah after chucking snow at Creeds face, or hitting Logan from behind....
Just more bias nonsense. He was able to keep hitting Logan the second time because he started off the encounter by punching him in the head from behind and sending him flying through several solid structures then pouncing on Logan before he could get to his feet... And all he got out of Wolverine was wise-ass remarks, as if Logan was taking it seriously.
Nice poker face back at ya.
Youv'e been backpeddling like crazy here, telling me I'm missing the point, telling me that I was correct in my assessment of the point and furthuring that the point was about what I already stated while you said that it wasn't a post or two ago all the while saying you've been saying it for pages...
The only one they had that was on panel..
When she killed her husband? yes.
The premise that she'd have to do so again? Yes.
The fight she had with Weapon X where she gave herself over to the animal, and tried to kill him then lost? NO.
Yes IS NOT ON PANEL.... her holding Logan is ALL WE SEE...
How did she get to that point?
"You don't know. That's the point."
Yeah she'd be really REALLY sorry about having to hold Wolverine down huh?
ridiculous.
"Yeah she'd be really REALLY sorry about having to hold Wolverine down huh?
ridiculous. "
After the fight? Sure. Speculating on the premise of doing it again? Sure....
NOT DURING THE FIGHT THEY HAD.
Which she DID do for a while but that was getting them nowhere... If you need ME to tell you what the narrative says then perhaps YOU should go back and read it.
"After the fight? Sure. Speculating on the premise of doing it again? Sure....
NOT DURING THE FIGHT THEY HAD. "
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