trust me I'm needed. Without me superman would be treated like a piece of shit that Thanos could easily beat. But in reality Superman would beat the shit out of Thanos using superior speed and strength.
The difference is totally different. If Drax can't amp at all and then Thanos can by choice, how exactly is that like Odin amping as a choice and Hulk having an auto amp? It's not. You're just bringing up unrelated BS to try to back your meaningless claim.
A slugfest is just two people punching each other. Odin would have to actively amp himself which is not just fighting. Hulk would grow stronger BY just fighting. Big difference even tho you want to ignore it.
Odin is weaker as in he is gimped here. But since you need him to amp then ok he can. He'd still lose.
I didn't make the thread. I didn't choose the stipulations. My understand was that it would be purely a slugfest as the OP stated. But since you cried let him amp.
I know Hulk doesn't have to amp but in a fight it's automatic. Unless it's turned off by the OP then I'd assume he has it. With Odin i'd assume he can do anything he has within his power unless he is gimped like he is here.
I've dropped the no amping point and still feel as tho Prime wins
Nah i just use something called Mind... ever heard of that thing?
what i said does not contradict anything but actually side that.
i find it amusing how many members here like yourself are very double standard and hypocrite.
when it suits you , you go and explain the details behind a scan, but when it does not suit you, you are walking blindly claiming you get what you see.
i already gave explanation to that, unless you got anything new to add buzz off.
lets stick to the topic.
Average Prime will beat the living hell out of odin.
Odin without using his powers, even if Amping is nothing to Prime.
this is GA Prime and this is a complete stomp.
lets also not forget that prime is immune to magic and even if odin amps its magic amping him.
i can even assume and it will be very logical that Prime will just laugh off his punches, then proceed to take his head off.
Lets remember zeus amping himself and beating hulk to the point he couldnt heal, why did his punches took the healing out of hulk? because the punches were magical.
the thing is Odin will Amp himself with magic and it will only lead to a curbstomp he doesnt even realize.
to add more he will probably be arrogant as always and call Prime Stupid child.... and this is when limbs will start tearing off, heads will get shoved up asses atc atc
I'm not exactly sure if you know this, but Odin does not have to say some magical words to amplify his power output, the power to amplify is also always there with him just like it is for the Hulk, your boy the Juggernaut, and several other characters that innately are capable of amplifying themselves. Odin as you may know not only possesses his own personal power, but he is somewhat of a composite being. What I mean by this is that he also has his brothers powers combined with his own, which is one of the many reasons that he has the ability to grow to enormous sizes at will.
Note that I said at will. His amplifications are done by will alone, and not by some outside source that he taps into. Odin can tap into outside sources sort of, but in the end, those outside sources are still his to do with as he pleases, such as the power to amplify himself by drawing on the power of every Asgardian in "his" realm. Even without them however, he can still amplify his power.
Take note, that the explosion that SBP survived when battling Monarch was seemingly able to eradicate all life in that particular universe, he was still knocked for a loop, and it wasn't actually his own power that made all of that mess. Odin on the other hand could wipe out a universe, and continue to fight long after Prime would be rendered KO'd.
I don't believe that Prime is on Odin's level without the guardian amplification, nor would he be even if he had the amplification that would surely be exhausted from doing battle with someone as powerful as Odin.
IMO a battle between these two would be interesting right up until Prime lost the guardian amp, but the minute that Odin burns through it, Prime would become just another whipping boy. If this was anything more than just a H2H contest Odin would end Prime in moments.
Also depends on how you see the magic amping his punches.
Would magical strength still affect SBP, who is magic-proof (or at least, resistant)? If I punch him with magical fists, would they hurt as much as if the 10N of force (I'm weak) was generated by my muscles and using my own skin and bone?
I realise this. I meant the fact that it's something he would have to actually do unlike Hulk who really doesn't have to "do" anything. It just happens as a result. Odin's would have to knowingly and actively increase his power. But apparently I'm wrong about my thought on this so i won't say it's not something he can do here.
Can Odin destroy the universe in a similar manner by just punching Prime? I know he can with his powers ungimped but i dunno about just punching.
I don't think its the magical fist that's the problem, its his strength that is the key. I don't think Prime is physically on Odin level. Yeah, magic would be amping Odin but it is still just strength when you look at it.
No he would likely not be able to wipe out something as large as a universe while using his physical might alone, but then again since this is just a H2H contest, Prime would not be able to use his speed, heat ray vision, or any other of his exotic powers to secure a victory. They would both be fighting at the same speeds, which is something that Wolverinos failed to acknowledge in his few posts on the subject. This is something that you might also want to take into account when automatically pulling for the Prime side.
Black Adam is a gnat in comparison to Odin though. Odin should be able to KO Teth with a finger flick. I'm not sure if you've ever seen how easily Odin deals with Thor, but if you haven't, it's no contest at all between these two.
Yeah, but that still doesn't take away from the fact that Odin is super strong. He is amping off magic but its going towards his strength which is what count here. I can understand if Odin was blasting him with magic...what Odin is doing here is increasing his physical stats.
True, but considering how beastly BA was, and how casually SBP tanked then smiled at his full force punches (BA is not known for his restraint; and this was without the Guardian amp), you gotta wonder how much more SBP can tank.
The sword was supposed to be able to cut through anything unless it met a power above it's enchantment. This is what happened, but this is not to say that the sword is above Odin in terms of power.
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