Mainly for WWH v. MMH giggles. There was a fair amount of off-topic debate in the WWH v. MMH debate purely on WWH's telepathic defenses. And I still saw a majority of people considering J'onn to be a far superior telepath to Xavier. It appeared that many people thought J'onn outclassed Xavier. I simply don't see that to be true. So let's revisit!
Split 5/10 between the two in a purely telepathic battle.
Xavier has shown that he is a beast on the Astral Plane, if he pulled J'onn there, and fought with the intention to kill I see him defeating MM every time.
Meh. Still got people thinking J'onn is a far superior telepath then Xavier. Still wondering why. Not only does Professor X have less low feats, I still think Profexxor X has more high-end feats in his belt then Manhunter. Xavier's got more planetwide telepathy feats, more galaxy spanning telepathy feats and more successful battles/encounters with abstract level feats. That and he can affect machines and AI. Plus he's been upgraded to an unknown degree since his merger with the M'Kraan crystal. Guess I'll have to point people to his respect thread to help sway popular opinion. First page and a half is about Ult. Xavier, but after a page and a half or so, you'll get the good stuff:
John has read the mind of every person in the world, unlike Xavier he doesn't need Cerebro. That alone puts him above Xavier. Not to mention he's taken on white martians, who also happen to have great telepathy.
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Here's a little secret for you; Martian Manhunter was a second (maybe third) tier character from inception onward. Nothing wrong w/ this, some of my favorite char. are as well, but the thing is, sometimes a company, in an attempt to breath life into a second-shelfer, will play around with them, alter them, amp their power, change their histories, turn them from good to bad (and back again)... all in order to keep them relevant. You can usually spot these cases as they happen mostly to characters who cannot hold- or never even had- their own series.
Up until fairly recently (recently in the long history of the character), MM was a fairly powerful character, but nowhere near as powerful as Superman, no where near as powerful a telepath as Xavier. But DC tinkered and amped him up, and up, and up.
And up.
And I don't buy it. If tomorrow, a comic book had Green Arrow bulseyeing a molecule from a mile away, I wouldn't buy that either. I would chalk that up to what it is; lazy (if talented) writers thinking "what can I do with this character now? Hey, I know- I'll increase his power!" My view of MM is much closer to the classic, core, character; powerful, not god-like. And not above Xavier as a telepath.
Eh,Icould just be as lazy as OneDumbGo and say go to his respect thread.
But in a nutshell,Jonn wins because he is a million times more experienced,lived in a culture based around telepathy,not to mention that Xavier(even when he was Onslaught) had a ***** of a time with Alien minds...let alone an alien who's atleast an equal telepath.Jonn's stalemated Starro the conquerer before,while Aquaman was utterly stomped(not saying that Aquamans anywhere near Xavier,just showing Jonn's a cut above the Average DC telepath),Plus,Jonn was able to dominate every criminal mind on earth when he wanted to,and he was able to beat his brother in a telepathic one-on-one before,while Malefic has been able to mindrape the entire league at once.
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