This is the destroyer odin from #300 vs. current, well-fed Galactus. Your point in bringing up the Godblast from 1968 from a Galactus that is clearly inferior to today's by any standards....is what???? Nothing.
Exactly this is Odin from #300, which you yourself stated. Yet you go on harping and chirping about Odin's feats OUTSIDE of the armor from later issues. My logic isn't the one that's horrid here.
No.
Thor questioned BRBs slim chances of prevailing in a fight. It's not that he ONLY thought it wasn't right, he thought it wouldn't succeed. Thor is a warrior first, a philosopher second.
galactus sent forces and they mattered little. Thanos still activated all his shields and they were still compromised.
No it's not dishonest in me of the slightest. Don't confuse my disagreeing with your opinion as being dishonest, because that implies you are 100% correct which is absolute garbage. Actually what is dishonest is you saying you disagree with Galactus being disintegrated when I already told you it's in the handbook. Go look it up if you disagree. I don't have the scans because my HD was erased.
And we've seen far less damage Celestials, and far less damage Odin. You want to ignore writer statements in the comic, go ahead. You are the one who is being dishonest and, in ignoring in-comic statements, already indirectly conceding your position. You can't work with the statements so you just dismiss them. You have no solid argument. Thank you for realizing that.
Yes PR Beyonder blasted Galactus. And in the same issue that I keep referencing, we learn that the Great Powers sent the Celestials to "pretend" they were defeated by the beyonder. Read FF Annual 23 and then get back to me. It's clear you haven't read it otherwise you wouldn't be ignorant about Kubik's position regarding the Celestials, Galactus, and the Great Powers.
Asgard prepped for 1000 years. 1000 YEARS. This massive invasion you refer to took place over 3 months. 3 MONTHS. Surely, you can't help but laugh at what you just wrote. Thanos prepped T&A specifically for engagement against Galactus. Unless you are telling me that T&A helped annihilus destroy the skrull and kree empires. Andy Schmidt confirmed that Thanos prepped T&A against Galactus, that's it. Regardless, T&A were bloodlusted and prepped. They were equals to Galactus. The destroyer armor with Odin is not equal to a single celestial...what don't you understand?
Exactly the attack was useless. In the only instance where the sword was shown to be used against cosmic entities, it was useless. Unless you want to show the odinsword cutting off uatu's arm or the stranger's or I-B's arm. Otherwise, the attack was useless. Or are you going to say it can cut off eternity's arm but just because the celestials have energy inside their armor (that sounds REALLY familiar to a certain individual who consumes planets, don't you think?) that they can reshape.
Tyrant's computer allowed him to make the deduction. Thanos doesn't have the IG when he's looking at the battle. He's not omniscient. There was enough data on the computer that he was comfortable enough to make that deduction. Galactus doesn't go around vaporizing galaxies on a whim.
You disagree with marvel, that's fine. As long as you realize it.
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I brought up more than one example. I didn't build my case around the Thor example.
Odin's amped so bringing up feats when he was far weaker isn't allowed? Are you out of your mind?
I never said BrB had a chance against Galactus anyways. LOL.
Him sending forces bought him time to press Thanos. Hence the reason he sent them. LOL.
Ah, it is? Have a scan. I won't disagree if a handbook corroborates it.
Not Odin in the destroyer. What has damaged the Celestials that is far less?
Hyperbole doesn't change the fact this Odin is more powerful than one who was destroying galaxies. I already explained my reasoning and you know it's more logical than what you are attempting to do.
In no way, shape, or form do they imply Galactus is above the Celestials. I have the issue so feel free to point out what I misinterpreted.
Yes, and they showed up and attacked him. Odin showed up to attack them. For all their prep that's basically what happened. Odin readied himself as powerful as he could be but just showed up to fight them. That's it.
It wasn't useless it was useless against someone who can reform limbs in such a manner.
I said it's speculation. We don't know how many galaxies were destroyed while we see Odin(Infinity) destroying galaxies himself not due to the collateral damage of the fight.
We've seen Odin rattle the space/time continuum, the mulitverse, and multiple dimensions in battle, but I won't use this hyperbole to prove Odin at his basic powerset is more powerful than Galactus based on the terminology thrown around.
how is this even a battle? come on... Galactus does what Galactus does, eats Asgard (and Odin) for brunch.
there is no way even a weak Galactus is losing to Odin, in a forum fight. first off, Galactus can consume Odin's realm (like he threatened to do to Mephisto), Galactus can turn the Destroyer armor into ... well, bog roll, if he wants. Odin doesn't stand a chance, this is spite... let's get back to Wolverine vs bears, the odds are more even there
To put it simple. back in the days Galactus power was said to destroy that of a planet... today that is what we expect his Heralds to accomplish as a minimum that alone should point out the powerlevel development that Galactus have undergone over the last 44 years.
A interesting article I found is this statement from Jack Kirby.
Quote from The Masters of Comic Book Art
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The destroyer armor's durability was shown against the fourth host. The fourth host isn't what it takes to defeat the destroyer...the fourth host showed that they are so far beyond the destroyer that they can reduce it to metal slag and evict all of asgard from it in the process...that's way, way, way beyond what's necessary to defeat the destroyer in terms of a standard forum fight.
That is Thor telling BRB that he doesn't have the chance. That is Thor telling BRB that even if Thor had his full powers and if he even wanted to help BRB, THEY would still not have a chance. LOL.
Sue storm has damaged exitar. a low showing for the celestial but a showing nonetheless. Just like it is a low showing for Galactus when you keep mentioning "he has been damaged by far less." In fact now that I recall, Exitar is the only celestial to defeat someone on an abstract level, when he defeated "The One." And Exitar>the entire 4th host.
Odin with all of asgard sans thor in the destroyer couldn't survive a blast from the fourth host. He already was on one knee and retreating from their initial blasts, nevermind the final blasts that reduced it to metal. So we have an on-panel, canon depiction of a destroyer garbed odin that is more powerful by default than the one used in this particular battle (since Odin has all of asgard sans thor with him in the destroyer) fall victim to the first volley of a few celestials. Artistically it was depicted as 2 blasts but we'll just say it was the first volley that the Destroyer was essentially defeated. I dont see how a well-fed Galactus can't replicate the same volley of blasts from 7 celestials. The first volley took the destroyer down. Galactus has the power to do that. Perhaps not in 1 blast but a succession of blasts from a well-fed galactus is comfortably in range of a volley of 1 blast from each of 2 or more celestials.
This is the structure of FF annual 23 (again I don't have the scans, but in this instance I have the actual comic in front of me):
Kubik explains to Kosmos that the universe is a 4 dimensional congruence of spheres. The 2nd sphere encompasses the 1st, the 3rd sphere the 2nd, and so forth. Kubik literally says "we shall ascend this scale"
1st level: Stars/heavenly bodies, stars which are preyed on by
*transition to 2nd level*
2nd level: The Dark Phoenix. Kosmos detects the watchers wathcing and Kubik says to ignore them as they have more to see: The composite beings which are comprised of billions of individuals into 1 being, and among them he names Mangog, the Overmind, and the Uni-mind. High Evolutionary is also mentioned. Then the Stranger.
*transition to 3rd level*
3rd level: Kubik says above these are the enemies of Entropy and agents of evolution: Eon, the Vishanti, and finally, the Celestials.
Kosmos recollects that in her previous existence (referring to secret wars beyonder) she battled the Celestials. Kubik explains that the celestials were sent by the Great Powers to help nurture her into existence, etc. Finally Kubik shows Shuma-Gorath, mephisto, surtur (and curiously, thanos) and other lords of the splinter realms. These mystical beings in turn serve
*transition to 4th level, the Great Powers level*
4th Level: Mistress Death. He also shows Master Order, Lord Chaos, their agent the I-B, and Galactus
5th Level: Encompassing all lower scales before it, is Eternity
6th Level: even higher than Eternity, is the race of the (true) Beyonders
7th level: the Living Tribunal
8th level: TOAA
So Kubik, the same being who said celestials are magnitudes above CCs, has ranked Celestials as below the Great Powers, of whom Galactus is a part.
Galactus and Tyrant outputted enough energy to destroy galaxies. Even if it was collateral damage, their combined energies destroyed galaxies. This logic holds because suppose 3 galaxies were destroyed. Ok then we know their combined energies desteroyed 3. We also know that FP Tyrant<well-fed Galactus, since Galactus over-powered FP Tyrant. However, for argument's sake, suppose Galactus outputted enough energy equal to FP tyrant. That means each of them destroyed 50% of 3 galaxies, or 1 1/2 of a galaxy for each of Galactus and FP Tyrant. That's 1 and a half galaxies' worth of indirect (not directed at the galaxy itself) power that was great enough to rupture the galaxy. It's more impressive to destroy something in unintentional collateral damage than to destroy something that you have targeted with a specific purpose. again, even if the damage was as little as 3 galaxies, its still significant damage. Half of the damage done by power output of 1, the other half done by power output of the other. And that's being a bit generous as FP Tryant was overpowered. And it's also indirect. Destroying something indirectly >>> destroying something directly, given the same object. Indeed, with all the data Tyrant's computer showed thanos, there's no reason to think that anything less than 2 galaxies at the absolute minimum were destroyed. Otherwise, why would thanos even make such a random estimate pulled out from his ass? Tyrant's computer was recording and analyzing the actual battle, not cataloging the damage around them that the battle was causing.
yes silver age odin>silver age Galactus. Silver age odin>current odin. But this is not silver age Galactus being used.
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I don't see Galactus having the power to do so before he gets limbs taken off and is critically injured.
I never stated they would have a chance. BrB still effectively starved him out for a time though. but in a direct fight these two don't have a chance.
She tapped into their power source which is something I don't see many characters doing. Reed and the ff have also driven off Galactus with their plans multiple times. The context behind these feats and the plot deviceness which usually goes along with it take away from the fact these beings are simply beyond them outside some writer coming up with some new angle to deal with these uber threats type stuff.
Yes, he could. He couldn't survive multiple blasts or defeat this entire host. Taking on this many beings simply beyond him isn't a low showing for him. Galactus would be annihilated and quickly if he dared take the fight to the 4th host.
Of course you can't see how a host of beings who are surrounding Odin don't present a variety of problems for him one being doesn't. I have no idea how or why you don't see it but not my problem.
I'll have to pop in my disc and give it another look. I don't remember them placing these beings beneath Galactus by any stretch of the imagination.
Speculation. Must have isn't a definitive number. I also don't hold all characters to these statements and argue for or against them in such a manner. Odin's darker aspect did so on panel and with ease, but you won't hear me arguing he's greater than Galactus based on this showing just like you shouldn't argue the Destroyer with Odin in it is weaker than Odin from this issue.
in so much as neither a speck of dust nor Odin stands a chance of winning a forum battle against Galactus, I think my comment retains some validity...
I mean would the difference in power between Spiderman and an 8yr old child matter, when set against Superman? (ok so Superman might think twice about hitting a child ...)
it was just to encapsulate the absolute certainty of the outcome, that's all.
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