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roll eyes (sarcastic) Not what I was saying.

And by your "logic" we should ignore what goes on in comics and just find out what the writer thinks.
No, we shouldn't ignore the intention of the writer though which is what you're asking. You said feats determine this so by your logic since planet hulk has greater strength feats he is stronger than wb hulk. That's just ludicrous. It makes zero sense.


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It makes more sense than basing your argument based on what YOU perceive to be the writer's intent.


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It makes more sense than basing your argument based on what YOU perceive to be the writer's intent.
Are you kidding ? Are you seriously kidding around ? If you can't figure out the writer's obvious intentions then you shouldn't debate characters in the first place.


This isn't ambiguous it's shoved down the reader's throat. Once again strength feat wise WB Hulk is weaker than planet hulk. I mean if you think that's accurate then feat it up.


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No, we shouldn't ignore the intention of the writer though which is what you're asking. You said feats determine this so by your logic since planet hulk has greater strength feats he is stronger than wb hulk. That's just ludicrous. It makes zero sense.


FFS. Don't twist my words, cheers.

I'm not asking anything. I'm saying you're wrong on the feats/intention issue. You say we take intentions into account on forums otherwise debating is "futile." Wrong, that isn't the way it's done.

Summed up: We use feats in debates, intention takes more of a back seat. That is why it is a debate at all.


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Feats are what we use as proof, not writer's intentions. That is what we use in debates. You got it backwards. Using "intentions" would make debating futile:

1. WB Hulk was the most powerful.
2. Okay.
3. Debate over
Exactly we use on panel feats in debates the writers intentions comes second imo


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Are you kidding ? Are you seriously kidding around ? If you can't figure out the writer's obvious intentions then you shouldn't debate characters in the first place.


This isn't ambiguous it's shoved down the reader's throat. Once again strength feat wise WB Hulk is weaker than planet hulk. I mean if you think that's accurate then feat it up.


I don't think he is just talking about Hulk. I think he means the argument in general (as I was)


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what are your thoughts on golden superman?


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FFS. Don't twist my words, cheers.

I'm not asking anything. I'm saying you're wrong on the feats/intention issue. You say we take intentions into account on forums otherwise debating is "futile." Wrong, that isn't the way it's done.

Summed up: We use feats in debates, intention takes more of a back seat. That is why it is a debate at all.
No, we don't dismiss either but when it's clear what the writer intended and how much greater this Hulk was then WW Hulk who was far greater than planet Hulk we don't suddenly say oh planet hulk's strength feat blows WB's lack of feats out of the water therefore since I can't understand what the writer meant planet hulk is stronger.

I am not twisting anything your logic states planet hulk is stronger than wb hulk.


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what are your thoughts on golden superman?
The list can go on and on. Since Thanos' strength feats aren't all that and neither are DD's then I guess characters with strength feats are stronger by his logic.


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FFS. Don't twist my words, cheers.

I'm not asking anything. I'm saying you're wrong on the feats/intention issue. You say we take intentions into account on forums otherwise debating is "futile." Wrong, that isn't the way it's done.

Summed up: We use feats in debates, intention takes more of a back seat. That is why it is a debate at all.
thumb up I agree 100%


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No, we don't dismiss either but when it's clear what the writer intended and how much greater this Hulk was then WW Hulk who was far greater than planet Hulk we don't suddenly say oh planet hulk's strength feat blows WB's lack of feats out of the water therefore since I can't understand what the writer meant planet hulk is stronger.

I am not twisting anything your logic states planet hulk is stronger than wb hulk.


Honestly??

I am saying Feats are more important in debates than a writer's intent. You said
"If you can't understand the writer's intentions then debating is rather futile"
which I disagree with. Because if we always used intent over feats there would be no debate.


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Honestly??

I am saying Feats are more important in debates than a writer's intent. You said
"If you can't understand the writer's intentions then debating is rather futile"
which I disagree with. Because if we always used intent over feats there would be no debate.
You can continue to champion this horrid logic but it's just like the other day when you posted a scan you yourself didn't understand. I see why you ignore the writer's intention you can't figure it out so I am telling you WB is stronger than planet hulk.


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You can continue to champion this horrid logic but it's just like the other day when you posted a scan you yourself didn't understand. I see why you ignore the writer's intention you can't figure it out so I am telling you WB is stronger than planet hulk.


Question: Do you believe that a writer's intent is more important than a character's feats in a debate? Take Hulk out of things. If overall you do then I don't see why you're debating at all.

I am not trying to champion a logic, I am saying you're wrong about debates being futile if writer's intent isn't take over feats. It's that simple.

I know what the writer's intention was. I already said I'm not arguing against what Hulk did.

I AM SAYING INTENTIONS AREN'T AS IMPORTANT AS FEATS IN A FORUM DEBATE.

Can you grasp this? Would you like some bright colours added? Perhaps a few pictures?


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Question: Do you believe that a writer's intent is more important than a character's feats in a debate? Take Hulk out of things. If overall you do then I don't see why you're debating at all.

I am not trying to champion a logic, I am saying you're wrong about debates being futile if writer's intent isn't take over feats. It's that simple.

I know what the writer's intention was. I already said I'm not arguing against what Hulk did.

I AM SAYING INTENTIONS AREN'T AS IMPORTANT AS FEATS IN A FORUM DEBATE.

Can you grasp this? Would you like some bright colours added? Perhaps a few pictures?
I believe portrayals are more important than feats and will always think so.

You can continue to get your feelings hurt but your logic states planet hulk is stronger than wb hulk. That's just absurd. You don't understand what you read which is very apparent.


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No shit.


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Question: Do you believe that a writer's intent is more important than a character's feats in a debate? Take Hulk out of things. If overall you do then I don't see why you're debating at all.

I am not trying to champion a logic, I am saying you're wrong about debates being futile if writer's intent isn't take over feats. It's that simple.

I know what the writer's intention was. I already said I'm not arguing against what Hulk did.i

I AM SAYING INTENTIONS AREN'T AS IMPORTANT AS FEATS IN A FORUM DEBATE.

Can you grasp this? Would you like some bright colours added? Perhaps a few pictures?
Why even try he's one of those extremely dense people I'm sure everybody understands what you mean (except Quan) and i bet most agree that on panel feats >>> writers intention


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