Bottom line we disagree and both sides have proof but I am going to create a thread so as to see hopefully feats of both characters because this topic interests me. Hopefully, tideoftime will see this new topic as he seems like he has a pretty good sense of ww's capabilities.
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Last edited by quanchi112 on Apr 6th, 2011 at 02:33 AM
This is true. Diana needed to use her speed to take Batman down. She's still a great fighter though and probably one of the best top tier fighters in comics.
Wonder Woman was de powered and still beat the shit out of the Goddess Diana, who is like Ares' daughter or something. WW's weaker than Superman. And she's had to use skill to be on an even playing field. She used her skill to utterly embarrass Powergirl, who is probably stronger and faster than her. Wonder Woman used her skill to beat the Queen of Fables, who is a high reality manipulator. She's used her skill to beat Zoom. She certainly isn't fast enough to actually beat him. She used her skill to fight Konvict. Who was beasting the whole JLA. She also used skill to fight Ares, Circe, and Amazo. She regularly fights beings who are beyond Superman. The only thing I can think of that saves her a$$, is her skill. She's at least as skilled as Batman. Hell, she once even beat Beowulf with a sword. Who beats Beowulf at his own game?
I have to agree with PR on this one because I think it comes down to hype vs feats. And I don't mean to use the term hype to downplay Diana's abilities at all. Quan would be correct if we were to go based on the descriptions that Diana has gotten over the years. "Greatest melee fighter in the world. "Mastered X number of fighting styles and weapons." "Amazon training > all." "Greatest warrior in the DC."
The problem is that most writers will not show us any of this in actual fights. One of the problems is that Diana typically doesn't need to use the kind of skill someone of that level would when she's fighting super powered bricks.
I believe that she is incredibly skilled and would put up a fight against any of the best fighters in the DC without her powers. Batman has better feats and his skill/brain is all he has. So we have to just hedge our bets on this one. I think all of the comments about WW's skill and the fights and sparring with other great martial artists that we have seen inform us that she is unquestionably skilled. But until we get to see a depowered Diana fight someone like Batman and win, then I don't think we can put her above that group when there just isn't enough on panel evidence. I am not dismissing the comments that people like McDuffie have written about her though. I just need to *see* it before I make a statement like "WW is more skilled than Batman."
And back on topic, I do not think magnetism would work on Diana's gear. That Dr. Polaris fight was utter BS. I remember asking Gail Simone if the bracers would be susceptible to magnetism and she said no. I know that is just one writer's opinion, but given the fact that most of what happened in that story went against fairly established character traits (Diana being weak against lightning, the bracers conducting electricity, etc) I am going to let common sense rule the day. The bracers aren't even made from metal (unless that is getting rebooted as well) and the rest of her gear would likely be made from gold or some other such non-magnetic metal. That's before adding in the whole "it's magic" argument.
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