So you say. Why don't you tell where I twisted all those scans.
And surfer himself denying his ability to go FTL and asking for Nova's help doesn't mean anything too?
So does Superman stating he can't go FTL. But LOL at this double standard. It is. He directly said he needs Nova's help to go FTL and travel in time. So there you go.
But apparently Surfer is immune to that.
You're simply speaking gibberish at this point.
Which don't count for much. You are acting like one denial overrules every feat ever. It doesn't.
Nope, its simply not referenced. Because its from a future of KC timeline.
That didn't even made any sense. You are arbitarily taking one story as canon and other non-canon simply because you don't like it.
What are you babbling about now?
Many stories contradict post crisis continuity. Its a mess, that's why several soft reboots and SBP punching time to explain everything.
It doesn't makes them non canon.
Haha, simply repeating yourself now? Good tactic.
Again, made no sense whatsoever.
It went that way afterwards you silly goose. Before that its strictly in the main DCU.
Kingdom doesn't either. You are just exaggerting its effect.
So it all boils down to one comment?
So did Silver Surfer.
I'm looking for it. Not as easy as you think to find the torrents.
Lightray never blitzed Superman in that issue. And Metron didn't confirm shit. Its just Lightray saying he was faster than Superman.
Why didn't he just stop if he was so much in control then? Because if he could slow himself down for Superman to catch him as you are cliaming, he could slow himself down to stop too. That didn't happen.
Its just a boast to save face.
Concession accepted kid.
Go back to where you come from kid, this is just the beginning if you don't stop trolling.
Then why make such a big deal about Superman saying he's not faster than light? That example was a travel speed feat. so you're contradicting yourself. Unless you're going to argue because Superman grabbed a couple people? That would be a weak justification.
Pretty consistently you've given "I don't like it" or "I don't realize I don't understand the example" as reasons they're invalid. Neither are reasonable arguments.
So you're saying Superman's feats don't count, but others do? Well, you'll say no. You'll also lie. Or you actually believe it. Which isn't a good thing.
I don't have that exact wording, but I can show you him saying he can measure time between nanoseconds, which would definitely be FTL. An example of him saying about "by the nanosecond" was presented. But I'm guessing that you won't accept either because they contradict your preconceived notions.
So I guess feats you don't like don't count. Gotcha dude.
You mean with Pocketverse Superboy? But regardless, that argument is assuming that you barely have to break lightspeed to work.
Any examples? The only time I can recall Waverider freezing time around Superman, it didn't stop him.
What does vaguely referring to examples without giving issue reference or even details prove?
Issue reference?
Do you even read before hitting "Reply" or did you just hit it and respond sentence-by-sentence?
I'm failing to see the relevance of teeth chattering here.
So basically you're ignoring that the Power Of Shazam is being screwy, and Freddy is so fast he can't control himself, yet Superman still catches up. Superman regularly gives undeserved lip service to inferiors. Part of his character to be humble and kind and all that. How Ma and Pa raised him. The point of this is an amped(to the point he couldn't control his speed) Freddy was still caught by Supes. I find it amusing that you bring-up power sharing, when I already did, and pointed-out it was messed with and Freddy was far faster than normal.
"I have no relevant counter, so I'll just act like it's no big deal." One of the few examples where speed has been compared, it was said Superman was faster. Deal with it.
Rereading this considering what you argued before made me laugh.
If he only said "blink of an eye" you would have a point. But he said "--even YOUR eye--" meaning Captain Marvel. Shit talking/hyperbole? Perhaps. But it doesn't change the fact that the MEANING is "I'm much faster than you."
You either merely skimmed it and didn't properly read it. Or you did, but didn't understand it. Or you did properly read it, did understand it, and dishonestly omitted that piece of information, because you realized he is saying "I'm a lot faster than you," even if it's just hyperbole shit talk. Which option is it? Didn't read, didn't get, or lied?
Eclipso amps those by combining his energy(which I showed in the link), it's well known solar energy hurts Eclipso, and Superman is a solar battery. Meaning, their energy won't mix. What part don't you understand? Prove the fight with Guy Gardner is a PIS fight instead of Eclipso-Supes being hurt 'cuz Eclipso is hurt by solar energy. The entire reason Guy went to the Sun was because he figured that solar matter would hurt ECLIPSO-Superman.
Perhaps "contradicting yourself" isn't the best example. Basically you're setting the standards so inconsistently that you can pick and choose what you want to accept and what doesn't count.
This is why I laughed. You're wrong. Though to be fair I didn't include the scan that explains the heart attack.
So Jay got the heart attack from the nanobots, which didn't infect him until he touched Wally. Which means the heart attack made no contribution whatsoever.
__________________ Bluewaterrider: "I'm surprised that a Skyfather like Zeus defeated Hulk when Zeus' Top-Tier son Hercules has lost to Hulk."
In their race, as well as other races Superman has had, there was a back and forth. Sometimes one getting ahead, sometimes the other, sometimes it being even. Happens a lot. Fact is Superman was closing the gap when Jay was amped on speed. Was it he tried harder? Dropped mental blocks? Who knows? It's a fact though that Superman was catching-up to an amped Jay(I said catching up, not caught up and won), meaning he would've been going faster than Jay. Deal with it.
Also, your complaint about the statue thing is when Superman was more powerful(so almost certainly faster as well) than when him and Jay raced.
What statements? What feats? Superman often says nice shit about his inferiors. So? What feats? You argue that Captain Marvel or Black Adam have matched him in combat speed. I've never seen a straight-up fight with super speed being used. Just because they fight evenly in speed doesn't mean a thing unless you assume their fights are at super speed. Which I doubt you can prove.
So unless you have a fight I'm unaware of where they do conclusively fight at super speed, well, I'm not seeing anything but assumption on your part. I provided actual examples. One of which you couldn't even argue against correctly. You would've done better arguing it was hyperbole/shit talking than the argument you made.
So, Superman is the only one with after images there, and you say it doesn't count because it's a "random artist interpretation of a fight?"
And you got the wrong writer. JLofA V2 #10 was written by Brad Melt. You're thinking of the late Dwayne McDuffie, making this automatically an invalid argument.
Don't remember what Jay said. I'll take a look later and see how accurate you got it.
I suggest the next time you're going to use how a writer portrays characters as your counter-argument, you make sure you're talking about the same writer instead of two different writers.
Except the distance means even if he was off by several nanoseconds, which is pretty dumb to argue, he'd have still been thinking much faster than light.
Professor Zoom was altering Barry. Thus the argument is invalid. If anything it's feat that Superman was keeping-up with Barry at all, instead of a valid argument on your end. It's funny you did this since you accused Abhi of mental gymnastics.
Oh, and prove Barry let Superman catch him. Pretty stupid to think that since Barry couldn't actually control himself.
__________________ Bluewaterrider: "I'm surprised that a Skyfather like Zeus defeated Hulk when Zeus' Top-Tier son Hercules has lost to Hulk."
His lack of knowledge or comprehension on what nanosecond means. Also, he missed it was plural, not single nanosecond. The best he can hope for is near-lightspeed.
__________________ Bluewaterrider: "I'm surprised that a Skyfather like Zeus defeated Hulk when Zeus' Top-Tier son Hercules has lost to Hulk."
I worked this one out before. At best it's lightspeed factoring in how much light moves in a nanosecond, and how they were only striking a couple feet in like 2 movements in nanoseconds. In the time it took for Hype to strike back against Glads, nanoseconds passed.
So lightspeed at best hand speed. And then their flight speed was shit.
Decent feat. Overplayed a little though.
If it was lightspeed that had to have happened in like 4 nanoseconds off the top of my head judging by Hype's posture and then how far his punch traveled.
Yeah. So Hype punched the overextended 3 feet or so. And you give a nanosecond or so for the block and recover. 4 nanoseconds sounds about right for it to be lightspeed.
But that's assuming that's how long it took. It could have been 2, or it could have been 90. It's not concrete. I have no issue with them being capable of the lightspeed fighting, but you have to factor in that that's only relevant from actual punching distance since their shitty flight in the same instance.
can we please count the number of times Abhi has misrepresented a scan or flat out interpreted it wrong? The speed in which he does this might be the winning feat here.
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Bluewaterrider: "I'm surprised that a Skyfather like Zeus defeated Hulk when Zeus' Top-Tier son Hercules has lost to Hulk."
