More out of you? Do you only come here to talk about your crush Superman? Who tortured you as a kid and bent you over daily with his comics?
As for the topic, Saying Superman is vastly outclassed in energy projection is like saying Omega beams are shit. Which mind you are above Surfers blasts. That HV has blocked.
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I wonder if it's trolling to constantly state a character wins without offering any on panel proof contradicting the on panel proof that has been shown.
I clearly have shown feats where hv trumps Surfer's blasts. At least show feats where Surfer actually hurt and greatly damage High Heralds with his blasts. Has he even done such a thing?
Uh-huh. At least I'm not posting non canon scans as proof.
Ah, right. It's from DC one million. Same character appeared in Superman animated comics too.
But then you'd know that Superman's powers were deliberately sabotaged by Solaris in that time.
If tanking is taking unendurable agony by a weakened superman while sun doesn't phased him, sure.
That actually works against you.
You really didn't comprehend the story, did you?
Maybe I should post the whole comic here for you to comprehend. You should have at least posted the bit where Diode beat Superman!!!!!
No, it did not.
You can ride the waves of destruction without getting hit.
Surfer was never hit by a supernova. One time it was when Goddess was attempting to make the sun go supernova, it was outright shown surfer would be atomized.
Also that's day one GL. He was scared but not hurt.
Now rookie Green Lanterns are more durable than Superman. This just keeps getting better and better.
Superman actually tanking supernova.
It was absorbed by a dimension full of beings who were able to absorb all heat. Now all of a sudden narration isn't reliable, right?
Are you saying heat pulse rivaling sun's birth is not impressive? Even half of that is more than Surfer can produce.
It's from Marvel Adventures 10.
And lol @ Epic imprint being canon.
Hahaha.
So now only heat produced by power cosmic can hurt Surfer? Show me Firelord blasting through a Herald. Should be simple for his "special heat".
Not by telekinesis though.
Are you claiming HV doesn't packs force besides heat?
Oh right, he was dancing like a ballerina to avoid getting hit.
Yes, it's non admissible here but it's still better than fanfiction surfer fans are trying to sell. It's from Surfer's regular writer Ron Marz too.
Not to mention Surfer's patented "I have the power cosmic" blast oneshotting Cyborg.
Plus, during Hunter Prey his HV could wreck Cyborg but didn't come close the the Omega Besms. Despite the Arguable Kryptonite X power up. Even being in proximity to them hurt him iirc.
By PWAW, HV was directly on par with OB and Supes could tank the Omegas.
The editors clarified that Superman didn't have kryptonite x power up in Hunter Prey. It's supposed to happen after Parasite drained him but it still gave him a permanent boost.
We have showed on panel evidence of how powerful the hv can be.
No one has shown Surfer doing any better with his blasts.
Thus anyone who claims Surfer still wins is not only ignoring posted evidence but trolling. If you believe that Surfer wins then provide written or posted evidence in regards to what was posted for Superman. When arguing for characters in different companies we debate by feats, nothing else.
You're definitely no expert on continuity, you yell retcon and non-canon whenever it suits you argument without references. You were wrong about Epic Illustrated #1 being non-canon for Surfer (see below) so either prove they're non-canon or stop crying wolf.
Wrong again.
The only thing Solaris did was make it seem like Superman attacked the audience and turned him into a fugitive so everyone attacked him. Hence why Captain Metamorpho attacked him.
No wonder other people's HV goes through him like butter. Just 'cause other people's HV go through Superman doesn't mean it'll go through Surfer. Feats aren't transferable, and you have to proof Superman's heat resistance is the same as Surfers and by the looks of it, it's not close.
Superman going into or near yellow suns don't count for obvious reasons.
Again shared feat by combining two HV and Martian Vision. Show him replicating it solo.
The narration states the combo HV created a volcanic eruption. For a "heat pulse that rival's the sun's rebirth" it sure is underwhelming, unless you don't think it might be...*GASP! Hyperbole?
And if Superman's HV was so powerful, why did he need to sundip to heat up Earth?
So?
In that issue Ego references how he was able to drive off a hungry Galactus--which happened in 616 continuity.
Later on in Marvel Adventures #13 Surfer references how Reed originally used the ultimate nullifier to drive Galactus away from Earth--this happened in 616 continuity
Surfer also references how Galactus eventually removed the barrier around Earth--this happened in 616 continuity
In the same issue Surfer is lured to counter-earth, and it's referenced how the High Evolutionary originally created counter-earth. This happened in 616 continuity and to my knowledge counter-earth has only been shown to exist in the 616 universe.
The Skrulls reference how they originally tried to invade Earth, but were driven away by the FF4--again this happened in 616 continuity.
Turns out Surfer's appearance in Epic Illustrated #1 is chronologically Surfer's 1st appearance in continuity.
You're full of crap trying to claim you actually know anything about continuity. So either provide proof for your "non-canon" claims, or stop crying wolf.
Answer the question: does superman derive his power from the sun, or power cosmic?
Surfer says the sun is nothing to him, but power cosmic is.
The method is irrelevant. The end product is still 'agitation of molecules' which is the literal definition of heat.
And Sarkaas dissed it by saying its only useful at the micro, and useless for macro objects.
Sure it does, but let's not pretend heat isn't a large part of it since it is called HEAT vision for a reason.
Your own scan betrays you and says it causes 'agitation of molecules' which is the scientific definition of heat.
And before you post your nonsense about how "a black hole nearly kills Surfer and Nova" go read SS Vol.3 #15 and #18 where Surfer (and later Nova) travel into that very same black hole unscathed.
When Superman got his power-up it was made clear he no longer needed to breath in space, and can travel in space without worrying. http://s12.postimg.org/4vlbwg9ct/P00079.jpg
After losing his power-up Superman needed to breath oxygen again. If his power-up was permanent he would've retained his ability not needing oxygen.
You are clearly trolling.
Just because Surfer can absorb heat and energy doesn't mean he can do so unlimited. You have to show Surfer absorbing the amount of heat that the hv can generate. I listed scans of how powerful the hv can be. The onus is now on you to provide counter proof to show that Surfer can tank the hv without much trouble.
Also what high heralds have Surfer put down with blasts?
Either way, he was at least as powerful as he was during Hunter Prey post Mongul training and then was far more powerful when he got powerful enough to tank and match the Omega Beams, which he couldn't do with the Kryptonite X amp, whether temporary or permanent.
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