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Originally posted by Creshosk
So it's magic that caused the FF's DNA to be altered to allow these powers. . .

And Magic is a much more logical explination than science. . .

Like cyclops's power? What scientific principal does it agree with that it is not grossly violating?

Look at the third law of motion.

Cyclops shouldn't be able to be beheaded or knocked out by any force less than the power of his beams. His neck muscles would have to be fricken MASSIVE in order to withstand the kick. . . but then his brain would also have to withstand it as well. . .



Magic is more logically acceptable than "they were born with it."

So what explains Cyclops being able to utilize the solar energy into a form of energy that has enough mass to concussivley peirce through metal, but has no heat, and doesn't kill him when he uses it?

And how do "temperature control glands" function outside the body much less at all?

Not very well.

And then desolidifies it?

Where does it go when he's in human form? And what metal exists in our body that can stand up to the thing's strength or even Juggernauts?

No, this is your speculative belief as to how his power works.

IT's not proven to function like that, it seems like more of assembly instructions that pop up when he needs them.

You don't need to know all the pricipals behind a car or a computer to put either togethrer from the parts available. Not, if you follow the instructions.
Yes magic and cosmic sources are much more accpetable than they were born with it.
I was giving possiblities as to how their powers could function is it perfect no but then again they are still somewhat plausable and given enough time can be explained much better by people much smarter than I good sir. Even they are like assembly intructions then how does get them. He still would have to have some understanding of concepts work with each other.


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Not exactly...was just bringing AC's physiology into question.
there was a thread on fake pics on the off topic thread, someone thought ALL of them were fake...


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By "inventing feat" the title would belong to Reed or Doom. Maybe even Iron Man.

However Forge should be the No.1 inventor in Marvel. Why hes not? Because hes not a main character like the others imo. Reed, Doom, and Starks knowledge is learned while Forges comes naturally. Technically he should be the best inventor in the MU. Too bad he isnt. Forge doesnt get enough respect from Marvel.


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Yes magic and cosmic sources are much more accpetable than they were born with it.
Why?

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I was giving possiblities as to how their powers could function is it perfect no but then again they are still somewhat plausable and given enough time can be explained much better by people much smarter than I good sir.
Which means they might function in a way neither of us truly understands?

Then why are they unacceptable?

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Even they are like assembly intructions then how does get them. He still would have to have some understanding of concepts work with each other.
Nope, not at all.

I can put a car together without ever fulyl understanding how it works.

But if I follow the directions I can make a functional one.

Or a rocket, or nuclear warhead, or whatever.


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By "inventing feat" the title would belong to Reed or Doom. Maybe even Iron Man.

However Forge should be the No.1 inventor in Marvel. Why hes not? Because hes not a main character like the others imo. Reed, Doom, and Starks knowledge is learned while Forges comes naturally. Technically he should be the best inventor in the MU. Too bad he isnt. Forge doesnt get enough respect from Marvel.
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these are forges powers

intuitive mechanical vision automatically interprets the functions and operations of any machine or technological device, a skill that combined with his natural intelligence allows him to conceive, design and build futuristic inventions, operate, modify and disassemble existing technology or create countermeasures for it, fitted with a cybernetic leg and a hand equipped with a computer interface link and plasma blasters

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there was a thread on fake pics on the off topic thread, someone thought ALL of them were fake...


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Why?

Which means they might function in a way neither of us truly understands?

Then why are they unacceptable?

Nope, not at all.

I can put a car together without ever fulyl understanding how it works.

But if I follow the directions I can make a functional one.

Or a rocket, or nuclear warhead, or whatever.
Because they are based on principles outside of nature. As soon as they said that the X-Men were the next step in human evoltuion they became part of the laws of nature.
You could try to put a car together you mean and as you said you would have to have directions to put it together at all. Plus if you didn't know how a car works you could easily mess up and not know how to fix it.
Same with anything else you must have knowledge on the subject to make it and since someone can not be born with all the knoweldge of everything then Forge's power as is is impossible.


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Because they are based on principles outside of nature. As soon as they said that the X-Men were the next step in human evoltuion they became part of the laws of nature.
But obviously not OUR laws of nature as none of our mutants in the real world are ANYTHING like those of the Marvelverse.


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You could try to put a car together you mean and as you said you would have to have directions to put it together at all. Plus if you didn't know how a car works you could easily mess up and not know how to fix it.
Unless I followed perfect directions to the T, and didn't mess up anywhere then I could put a car together, and have it work, without ever knowing HOW it worked.


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Same with anything else you must have knowledge on the subject to make it and since someone can not be born with all the knoweldge of everything then Forge's power as is is impossible.
No, you just don't want to accept it, so are trying harder to discredit it than to understand it.


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these are forges powers

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Doesn't quite equate to 'the power to invent anything' though.

Thankfully so, because it would be ludicrous.


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No, you just don't want to accept it, so are trying harder to discredit it than to understand it.


Might go do some IRONI(c)ng.

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Same with anything else you must have knowledge on the subject to make it and since someone can not be born with all the knoweldge of everything then Forge's power as is is impossible.


Cyclops makes beams, does he understand it?

He just does it, right?


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Yes but the beans aren't making a device they are made by his body unlike Forge's power which is to build something. To build something you must have knowledge on the subject otherwise you couldn't build it.


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Yes but the beans aren't making a device they are made by his body unlike Forge's power which is to build something. To build something you must have knowledge on the subject otherwise you couldn't build it.
Unless you had assembly instructions.


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But obviously not OUR laws of nature as none of our mutants in the real world are ANYTHING like those of the Marvelverse.


Unless I followed perfect directions to the T, and didn't mess up anywhere then I could put a car together, and have it work, without ever knowing HOW it worked.


No, you just don't want to accept it, so are trying harder to discredit it than to understand it.
YOu can put a car toghether with instructions made by people who know what to do. Where does Forge get these instructions if he can build anything he would have to be Bron with knowledge on them thus he would have to know how everything fit together sense no one is helping him.


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