The Destroyer has reactionary times that are greater than Celestials, who act and behave like statues, literally (arishem was going to stand on that podium for 50 years and not move while judging earth). That's hardly impressive reactionary time when you can move faster than a celestial. Galactus at least has shown the ability to dodge and block attacks with a force field. The destroyer isn't going to walk up to Galactus with his sword swinging around like some giant phallus.
Exactly. Reed and the FF only triumph through plots and writer-tricks. Vindicator and alpha flight kicked the shit out of Galactus simply because they brought Galactus to a universe where the power cosmic doesn't work. Brilliant writer cop-out. That's why i was arguing that galactus being damaged by far less is irrelevant as it's almost always involving some plot device trick (reed with his plans, vindicator fiasco, etc.) or when he's weak (godblast, punch from thing which themselves are silver age instances).
The destroyer was on 1 knee after the first volley of blasts from less than the whole 4th host. Thor knew the fight was all but over at that point. The final blast at the end with all 7 firing was superfluous and really doesn't matter as the fight was over long before that. The celestials politely allowed Odin to hit them with his attacks, and only after he attacked would they then respond. They never pre-empted the destroyer and let it attack first. In no way did they gang rape Odin until after the first volley, and at that point the outcome was already in certainty so that's beside the point. That is what you are having a great struggle in comprehending.
Yes sue storm tapped into Exitar's power source which not many beings can do. Galactus can and does manipulate hyperspace so your double standard of validating the sue storm showing with a caveat of her unique ability, while saying the fourth host would obliterate Galactus, when Sue storm manipulated the energies of a celestial that on his own, is > than the fourth host, has been exposed. Thank you.
As I said Galactus doesn't go around vaporizing galaxies on an "evil whim." He doesn't go mad or "evil" like Odin is prone to do. If i were to bring that up then the only corollary would be black celestial arc galactus when his mentality was altered. without going mad odin would never just wantonly blow up a galaxy on his own. Neither has Eternity. But yet by your logic you would say Eternity couldn't do it.
yes read the issue again. You'll see that my list is accurate. I have no reason to fabricate it and even less to put up false facts so i can waste my time lying to others in some hope to support my argument.
Odin form #300 had all of asgard with him. He doesn't in this battle. How is Odin from #300 not more powerful than the odin in this battle.
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the guy Thanos fought a long drawn out battle with, in the course of which Thanos was given props for being a worthy adversary ... something which Thanos found condescending.
of course the same Thanos was made to beg for Galactus to stay his hand, as he acknowledged how mighty Galactus was.
the same Galactus that can consume realms of other gods/dimensional lords, with utter ease ... in fact, even his herald has defeated a juiced-up rogue Watcher who attained such power as to become a God in his own dimension ...
there isn't a thing Odin can do, the Destroyer armor is literally irrelevant, this is Galactus he's fighting.
They don't have to react quicker when their opponent doesn't really pose a threat to them. They acted quick enough to destroy the Destroyer. You can't argue with results. Galactus isn't going to turn into some abstract ninja either.
Making Tenebrous and Aegis a perfect example. I didn't cite some ff miracle.
No, I understand the situation quite perfectly. What you fail to understand is a group vs. one threat poses a number of problems that one threat doesn't pose.
This option might be available to Galactus but I still don't see him being able to take down the 4th host in time as they could defeat him with one group attack. That's also a plot device which isn't available in this scenario.
No, going by my logic Odin isn't more powerful because of it. I never implied as such and still don't. Galactus is more powerful than Odin regardless of this feat. I don't debate based on best power feats vs. common sense. I take both into the situation and apply critical thinking.
I will take a look at it.
I think he does. The threadstarter hasn't clarified at this point.
'proof' can only come from a comic book encounter. we're arguing about likely outcomes based on indirect evidence and statements from sources that should/do know.
comics place Galactus several orders of power above Odin. a host of Skyfathers (including Odin) lack of significance to Celestials places Odin quite well in the scheme of things.
moreover, Galactus has shown capable of consuming the entire omniverse and with his UN he has the power to nullify and remake the 616 in an instant ... really gods and ants here, Odin has nothing to compare.
When has Galactus shown this power in the 616 universe?
Again, if Thanos sent Galactus a few hundred yards I think it's safe to see he'll notice Odin. Galactus is more powerful but seeing he's no more than a speck of dust is truly an ignorant post.
The celstials struck at the unimind and then odin lopped of nezzar's arm. Galactus isn't the celestials he wont wait for the destroying to come brandishing his sword. And the destroyer isn't some 2000 foot tall ninja either. He wont turn into bruce wayne and cover the distance with a titanic, athletic leap and brandish his sword in one go. To think that Galactus wouldn't react and just stand their while his opponent closes the distance is foolish. It's in Galactus' character to fight long range. He's shown the ability to dodge attacks. He also can fight in close-quarters when need be. He blocks attacks with a force field. The destroyer is going hand-to-hand against that?
T&A as an example of what? They were equal in power to Galactus. It was essentially Galactus vs. 2 Galacti, whom were prepped by thanos. SS kept Aegis occupied for long enough for Tenebrous and Galactus to stalemate each other. then she entered the fray and cheap shotted him. It's not a low showing for G by any means...and I keep sensing that you are trying to turn it into that.
No what you fail to comprehend was that the fourth host wasn't fighting as a group until the comic showed that odin's attacks were fruitless. Hell the first couple of panels it was Odin with destroyer armor vs. nezzar the calculator 1 on 1. after his attacks against nezzar were fruitless they fired a volley and the destroyer was on his knee. the outcome would have been the same if it was just nezzar.
Odin wasn't in his right mind when he did it. Galactus will never do it because that's not in his character. Exhibiting collateral damage is more within the realms of 1 character than to exhibit direct damage. Is superman more likely to destroy a city by fighting doomsday in the city, or is he more likely to destroy a city from afar, that has doomsday in it? The point is it's not in the character's mindset to display wanton levels of destruction above and beyond what is called for. No body is harping about greatest feats of destruction outside of character, except perhaps for you. Your critical thinking process has flaws in it because i've refuted several of your arguments with analysis. Galactus wont destroy a galaxy for the sake of destroying it. He will destroy a galaxy in the process of combating a powerful opponent. That's been shown. That's in his character. Yet you would argue that he can't because he's never exhibited it, or you put it into question because he's never directly done it. Common sense is subjective and that's probably why you have people opposing your positions because common sense is prone to be exploited by logic and rationality. Can Galactus do it? yes. Is it in his nature? no. can Galactus dodge attacks? yes. Is it in his nature? when he deems necessary. Can Galactus transmute? yes. Is it in his nature? all the time.
Has the destroyer armor faced powerful beings before? yes. have its attacks worked in an isolated situation? No. is there any measure of how odin in the armor with the odin sword would perform against >>>skyfather beings available to us as a basis for comparison and analysis, aside from the celestial encounter? no.
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Galactus takes attacks as does Odin. It's give and take. Galactus sin't going the way of cbr for this fight. You have a habit of debating in the manner of cbr for him.
Together they were more than he could handle. 4th host of celestials>Tenebrous and Aegis.
Odin still had to deal with the group. He wasn't just worrying about one character he felt the presence of the entire group and was defeated by them.
Again, the only reason I brought it up was because you wanted to turn Odin into a planet destroyer for the purposes of this debate and argue based on these statements. That's faulty logic and has no bearing here.
The point is we have seen Odin get beaten by a force which makes the T and A force look meek in comparison. Galactus was laid low by them and will be laid low by Odin here.
He's powerful enough to combat galactus and has all the asgardians save Thor added to his own in the destroyer armor.
In character Galactus is going to try to slag tthe destroyer but I see his limbs being taken off in the meantime.
The scene where two Celestial Energy Beams hits the Destroyer it stats that:
"The mammoth warrior is buffeted by a celestial Barrage which pierces his allegedly indestructible amor" Those are the words use iirc. And every single energy attack used by the Celestials in the end pierced through the armor.
The Destroyer was already immobilised/neutrilized in four to five shots from the Celestials you scans doesn't change that fact.
First scan: No hit at all.
Second scan: Two Torso, one leg (they piece the armor at this point and it's the first energy based attack)
Third Scan: Two Deflected, One back, One Torso and one hand(?)
Fourth Scan: After Three direct shots to the torso and one to the back the Destroyer is down. And the combined Celestial Assault in seconds destroys it.
Doesn't from my point of view support you view that the Destroyer was attacked from all sides which only in one case is correct, when it got shot in the back.
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