I guarantee that if Wonder Woman would fight Captain Marvel, she wouldn't lose - you can see War of the Gods, as an example. Or current Flaspoint Universe, where Wonder Woman fracked him up good, and where they'll likely fight again in the following issues.
We can look at how Superboy Prime physically compares with Black Adam, and we can look at how Superman does. We can look at how Martian Manhunter compares to Superman, and then look at how Black Adam does. We can look at how Jay Garrick compares to Black Adam, and how Superman does. We can look at how Wonder Woman compares to Captain Marvel, and then we'll compare how Superman compares with Wonder Woman. Since you seem to be so keen on taking Superman's word at face value, we'll see how he thinks that Wonder Woman and Captain Marvel's striking power compares. (please log in to view the image)
More comparisons involving Superman? Let's look at how they compare when it comes to speed.
Let's see how an amped Captain Marvel (Hercules and Atlas), who surely given that he is stronger than normal and going against pre-Loeb's massive upgrade/Byrne Superman, can overwhelm him in arm-wrestling, no?
Eclipso Superman is not all-out Superman. Mind-controlled Superman is not all-out Superman. A few direct comparisons where Superman gives him props isn't enough to say that Captain Marvel equals an all-out, OWAW mindset or Darkseid confronting Superman. Superman is the king of verbal props to other characters, but when shit goes down, he's the one that's owning the opposition and plowing through attacks, while the ones who got the props are in the fetus position.
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a). Superman was weakened by kryptonite.
b). Verbal props, the same thing I already adressed in my post.
c). You're not helping your case of "Captain Marvel is as powerful as Superman" if you post a scan where Superman directly says that magic is a factor in their confrontations.
d). I'm glad you agree then, Wonder Woman and Captain Marvel's striking power are at the same level.
You're just not very good at this.
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Apokolips Now, not Infinite Crisis, pay attention.
My bad on the Hypolyta bit, I was mixing it up with something else. Still you are leaving out some important information regarding that incident. For one Lyta was amped considerably, she had the Gauntlets of Atlas which grant a 10x strength amp and the Sandals of Hermes which grant a 10x speed increase, not to mention she had some fairly potent weapons.
So to act like plain old 'Lyta could beat two probes is just inane.
They do contain context, you're just unaware of that context/ignoring it to serve your own arguments. Still just a Red Herring to distract from the fact you don't have a real argument.
I don't believe it because Cap is only shown to be comparable to a holding back Superman, and no-holding back Supes is much more powerful.
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I think "no holding back Superman" is a bit of an outdated concept. The idea was that he was holding himself in check unconsciously since childhood and thus he was actually more powerful than he let himself be due to his subconscious mental blocks blah blah.
But New Krypton didnt really show the powerlevels of Kryptonians with none of Supermans "mental blocks" as being anything particularly special. They all seemed like Superman but with much less experience in using their powers skilfully and a lot of them looked much less powerful due to being fodder. According to the holding back theory they should have been monsters. The idea that other Kryptonians were more powerful was briefly in play when Kara first showed up but since then shes rapidly drifted down to be a definite second fiddle to your everyday Superman in terms of power and i dont think the ideas been mentioned since.
It was a nice idea i guess back in 2001 but it seems to have died off when Loeb left DC and i think people (understandably i suppose) make way too big a deal out of it. Much more likely than not CM and Superman will be shown as peers no matter what.
And again, if you post in a public forum you invite anyone to respond. You should have utilized the private message function.
You are still not able to understand the point I was making from the beginning. Instead, you try to attack my sexuality, which btw, was never in doubt. Nor did I ever say that you insulted me. I realize that I am asking you to operate on a level of discussion about that of 8th grade name calling. Your initial comment was misogynistic. Saying that I am in love with Q99 doesn't change that. Now if you want to have a real discussion as to why that is, then send me a message.
The 'holding back' thing is really about Superman specifically; he's stronger than just about any other Kryptonian. Also, the difference between a highly experienced fighter with a massive willpower pushing himself to the limit is a lot different than someone who isn't holding back, but also isn't experienced or used to pushing themselves to their limits. Learning how to push oneself to the max is a skill too.
There is a noticeable disparity between his normal fighting and when he really goes all-out. Superman vs the Elite or Superman vs Imperiex probes are both illustrations.
Superman is basically the Batman of Kryptonians. New Krypton made that clear. Comparing a fodder Kryptonian to Superman is like comparing an average human to Batman.
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