If we are arguing characterisation, surely the WW3 version of Black Adam DID speed blitz - he did kill the entire population of Bialya and destroyed its military infrastrucutre in 2 days, along with that Horseman. That's pretty much impossible without using superspeed.
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Noone is saying Teth isn't fast. I am just saying that speed is not going to be the determining factor im their battle. And even if he did blitz Thor. Mjolnir only need be spun around im front of him to negate it. Two days is an awfully long time for a HH to take to destroy one country too btw
He killed about 2 million people, plus all the animals, and all the insects.
In two days.
And fought that Horseman guy.
So that's about 12 people every second - and they won't have been all nicely gathered in a stadium for him to just squish - they would have been scattered all over the country, in houses, in offices etc. Presumably after day 1, they'd also be in hiding.
Then after killing the 12 people every second, he'd have to stop for the animals and insects. Then find time for destroying tanks and what not.
Its not like Adam has any energy projection or mass effect powers (unless you're saying he continually wandered up and down the country shouting Shazam). If you give me super strength on par with him, and told me to take a country apart and kill every living thing in two days, but I'm limited to normal speed...no. I doubt I can do it.
^ So you're assuming Black Adam killed each person and each insect individually. Instead of... I dunno... toppling buildings and causing massive destruction?
Deadliest earthquake in recent memory was Haiti. Estimated casualties, 100k. So casualties here in Bialya was 20 times that. we won't go into the animals and insects.
I'm not saying he personally knocked on every door, snapped their necks, then walked next door, no.
But for you to say he can do it without using superspeed AT ALL is quite frankly silly.
^ I frankly don't recall that from 52 at all. But I'm happy to reread it if you don't have scans. You're comparing a High Herald that could bust a planet with a punch to an earthquake?
Kinda sounds like it... particularly with your 12 sec/person guesstimations.
I don't see how the shoe's on the other foot here...
Yes, I am comparing the two, particularly in their destructiveness. Even the worse earthquakes aren't able to kill that many people, but somehow, BA can just by using normal speed? He smashes a tower block containing lots of people inside, sure, but on any given day, unless a good proportion of the population are all congregated in these tower blocks, A good portion of his time is still going to be spent going from house to house, and to say that he does all this without any superspeed (travelling or otherwise) isn't quite right.
The fact that he can bust a planet or not is moot here, as without any superspeed, he still wouldn't be able to kill all of them in 2 days.
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he worst earthquake has nothing on a bloodlusted high herald. What don't you get? I never said he couldn't fly around at high speeds knocking buildings over. I just disagreed with the idea that killing a lot of a country's inhabitants in 2 days is hard evidence of superspeedblitzing (particularly the type of superspeedblitzing that is being pawned off here in this thread). I reread 52 #45 again. The first civilians he seemed to target was a large mob confronting him. Later on you just see buildings in rubble and bodies everywhere. I didn't see anything there that suggested Black Adam walked into each house carefully one by one to kill each person (something that wold necessitate superspeedblitzing).
Retard Thanos nearly wiped out a planet's population in Guardians of the Galaxy #25 when he emerged from a cocoon weakened. Nobody's using that as proof that he superspeedblitzed the population.
So everyone (people, animals and insects) he killed were conveniently either grouped together in buildings, or were located next to them to be killed by rubble?
Sure, not hard evidence - because its not shown explicitly on panel, which it seems is what's needed to convince you. But neither is your assertion, that they were all killed by....actually, how would you go about it it?
And doesn't Thanos have AoE energy projection? I admit, its been a time since I read that issue.
I'd ask you to not be so narrow-minded about this.
If the issue is that Black Adam speedblitzes the crap out of Thor without Thor being able to even register an attack. Then, yes, off-panel killing the Bialyan population in 2 days is hardly suitable evidence of that. I'd pound the shit out of all the streets, knock over all the buildings and spread all the fires.
What? Thanos superspeed ran across the planet's hemispheres blasting every city? To echo your incredulity? Go ahead, illustrate for us exactly how Thanos wrecks an entire planet's population on foot. Let's see where this gets you.
Woah, I have no idea how Thanos did it - as I myself admitted in my post, its been awhile since I read it, so no idea how he did it. He could have just expended a massive burst of energy from himself which wrecked everything for miles around, I DON'T KNOW.
I will admit, no, its not concrete proof of him speed blitzing. But out of both odf us, you're the one dealing in absolutes here, and being narrowminded, saying that he would'nt have ANY speedspeed in the entire 2 days.
Would you at least say he may have used it at some point, at least?
The entire planet? You don't know? How do miles-wide AoE blasts cover a planet's hemispheres unless he was superspeed running across them??? This line of incredulity starting to strain your patience? Welcome to the club.
Sorry but intentional or not, you completely strawmanned me. I asked why such a feat would necessarily require superspeed. I did not say that he never could have used superspeed. What you said though, was that such a feat is impossible without superspeedblitzing. Again, based on what?
I don't usually entertain moving the goalposts. So I won't do it here. My original inquiry and doubt stands:
Not really straining my patience - I've admitted I don't know, so I don't. It could be anything really. I've had days long chats with TheHulk before, so this isn't trying my patience at all.
And my original post still stands. I should have qualified it with the word 'some', admittedly, but the main intention of the post is still there - he used a higher than average human (or Teth-Adam) speed in the destruction of Bialya, and I will add, at some point during the 2 days.
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