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The Silver Surfer Vs Thor
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Originally posted by Starscream M
surfer could just create a blackhole which would suck up any energy attack thor would unleash with its immense gravitational pull


There are counters to this, or other possible outcomes. One tactic as end-all is the kind of simplistic analysis I was speaking about in my last post.


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Originally posted by zopzop


Show me Thor busting a planet. I don't recall that ever happening. I think there are actually scans out there of Surfer destroying a planet. We saw that his fight with Morg wrecked an entire solar system.


I didn't say he goes around destroying planets. I said his that's how hard his strikes have been equated to even in his classic comics.

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Originally posted by DARTH POWER
I didn't say he goes around destroying planets. I said his that's how hard his strikes have been equated to even in his classic comics.

Which means nothing really. Someone already stated the Surfer's unchecked power can wreck a galaxy. It's called hyperbole.

And I just remembered where I saw Surfer busting a planet. It was during the Tyrant/Galactus arc written by Lackey.

He was having a mid-life crisis or something and went around wrecking sh|t. He casually beat the crap out of the Super Skrull then went on to destroy an entire planet.

Surfer's fight with Morg wrecked a solar system and Morg was KOed, the Surfer was just fine.


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Originally posted by zopzop
I already told you what happened she phased him inside the ground. Thor's flesh and bone are 3xs more dense (according to handbooks but on panel probably a LOT more than that) than a human beings. His body would fight off the effect of having it solidify in another object, exactly like Hulk's did.

What we saw ON PANEL was him creating an energy vortex, the ground got hot, it burst, and he got out.
How do we know this?
a) The ground exploded.
b) The ground was smoldering.
c) Glassification occured beneath his feet.


Please read the words instead of looking at the pretty pictures:
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/...ttyPhasing1.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/...ttyPhasing2.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/...ttyPhasing3.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/...ttyPhasing4.jpg

It was outright stated that Kitty turned Thor intangible, fusing/bonding him with the ground.

The officer even addressed that simply blasting the ground would prove more disastrous then anything.

Hulk ripped through the pavement but he had entire chunks inside of him. Pretty sure even Superman had pieces of concrete stuck in his arms and it sent him into shock. And in both those scenarios, it wasn't their entire lower f*cking half fused. Thor's durability doesn't negate phasing.


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Originally posted by zopzop
Which means nothing really. Someone already stated the Surfer's unchecked power can wreck a galaxy. It's called hyperbole.


It's not as vague as Surfer's Galaxy destroying power. How would Sufer do that? Which powers would he use? We have no idea.

Thor's Strikes have been directly attributed to planet shattering in power. They have been called so more than once and since his classic comics. There's nothing hyperbolic about it. It's simply how powerful his strikes are.

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Originally posted by zopzop


He was having a mid-life crisis or something and went around wrecking sh|t. He casually beat the crap out of the Super Skrull then went on to destroy an entire planet.



Ok great for Surfer. Thor went mad and casually wrecked Surfer once.

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Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Please read the words instead of looking at the pretty pictures:
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/...ttyPhasing1.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/...ttyPhasing2.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/...ttyPhasing3.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/...ttyPhasing4.jpg

It was outright stated that Kitty turned Thor intangible, fusing/bonding him with the ground.

The officer even addressed that simply blasting the ground would prove more disastrous then anything.

Hulk ripped through the pavement but he had entire chunks inside of him. Pretty sure even Superman had pieces of concrete stuck in his arms and it sent him into shock. And in both those scenarios, it wasn't their entire lower f*cking half fused. Thor's durability doesn't negate phasing.

If his entire lower body was indeed fused to the ground, his upper body would be nothing more than a bloody stump and he'd keel over.

But that didn't happen did it?

He was phased into the floor, trapped. He superheated the rock, it exploded and melted and he escaped.

It's right there on panel. Hulk escaped another way. Neither of them used matter manip.


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Originally posted by DARTH POWER
It's not as vague as Surfer's Galaxy destroying power. How would Sufer do that? Which powers would he use? We have no idea.

Thor's Strikes have been directly attributed to planet shattering in power. They have been called so more than once and since his classic comics. There's nothing hyperbolic about it. It's simply how powerful his strikes are.

BS. It's called hyperbole for a reason. SHOW ME Thor busting a planet. I'll wait.


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Ok great for Surfer. Thor went mad and casually wrecked Surfer once.

Good for Thor.


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Originally posted by zopzop
If his entire lower body was indeed fused to the ground, his upper body would be nothing more than a bloody stump and he'd keel over.

But that didn't happen did it?

He was phased into the floor, trapped. He superheated the rock, it exploded and melted and he escaped.

It's right there on panel. Hulk escaped another way. Neither of them used matter manip.


Stop ignoring what you don't like. It's worded very clearly that he was bonded/fused with the concrete. And he then used Mjolnir's magic (Most likely molecular manipulation) to perform a miracle and set himself free.

You are literally ignoring what the comic told us to come to your own conclusions. Should just get a mod ruiling to shut you up.

Hulk ripped himself free, and was able to heal through the damage. Thor doesn't have a healing factor that can regrow practically anything in moments, simply breaking the ground would have most likely killed him.

Seriously, do you not see how f*cking dumb your stance is? If he resisted the phasing (How do you resist phasing btw?), he'd have just flexed and broken the ground instead of being in complete agony, resorting to Mjolnir's magic.


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Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Stop ignoring what you don't like. It's worded very clearly that he was bonded/fused with the concrete. And he then used Mjolnir's magic (Most likely molecular manipulation) to perform a miracle and set himself free.

You are literally ignoring what the comic told us to come to your own conclusions. Should just get a mod ruiling to shut you up.

Hulk ripped himself free, and was able to heal through the damage. Thor doesn't have a healing factor that can regrow practically anything in moments, simply breaking the ground would have most likely killed him.

Seriously, do you not see how f*cking dumb your stance is? If he resisted the phasing (How do you resist phasing btw?), he'd have just flexed and broken the ground instead of being in complete agony, resorting to Mjolnir's magic.

I'm not the one ignoring what's DEPICTED on panel.

The "matter manip" side has to explain why the ground EXPLODED, why the ground was smoldering, and why glassification occurred at his feet.

Explain that to me. Because that's consistant with what happens when you heat solids like rocks/stone rapidly. Depending on the composition of the stone/rock it will explode and glassify, just explode, go molten, etc...

This is EXACTLY what occurred ON PANEL.

And Asgardians aren't human. Their physiology allows them to survive and recover from wounds that would kill mortals.


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Originally posted by zopzop

BS. It's called hyperbole for a reason.


Did you even read my post? It's not hyperbole. It's quantifiable.

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SHOW ME Thor busting a planet. I'll wait.


I can show you him busting Surfer.

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Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Did you even read my post? It's not hyperbole. It's quantifiable.

Then it's easily proven. Prove it.

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I can show you him busting Surfer.

That's called deflection. That wasn't what I was asking.


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Show me Thor busting a planet.

I think he busted a planetoid with BRB on it.
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I don't recall that ever happening. I think there are actually scans out there of Surfer destroying a planet. We saw that his fight with Morg wrecked an entire solar system.

Entire solar system? erm... embarrasment
Heralds usually don't have "solar system busting" power.


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Right. So explain the exploding sidewalk, why it was smoldering, and the glassification at Thor's feet. I'll wait.



Concession accepted. thumb up Simply pathetic.


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Originally posted by zopzop
I'm not the one ignoring what's DEPICTED on panel.


Yes, you are.


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Yes, you are.

Actually, I'm not.
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Creates energy vortex. Ground explodes. Ground is smoldering. Ground is glassified.

Right there on panel.
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Concession accepted. thumb up Simply pathetic.

Yup, pathetic how Thor fanboys are clinging to this non feat in an attempt to make their boy look good.

Plus didn't you have more examples of his supposed matter manip abilities? Still waiting.


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Yup, pathetic how Thor fanboys are clinging to this non feat in an attempt to make their boy look good.

Plus didn't you have more examples of his supposed matter manip abilities? Still waiting.


No. You're just a pathetic troll smile You can call that bashing if you'd like, but from your posts in the thread and posts in general, it's not hard to see I'm right.

You ignore what you don't like. No one is refuting that their was an explosion of heat which glass was formed from. So what? Understand, the phasing process fuses molecules. Thor would not have been in such horrible pain if he had just been trapped waste deep in concrete. His body was forcibly fused into the foreign matter, which is why simply blowing the chunks off him wouldn't have mattered. Get what I'm saying? It's like having a knife in you and snapping off the handle. Yay? Not really since the blade is still in you. Thor had to defuse his body.

You have no argument. Just drop it already.


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Originally posted by zopzop
Actually, I'm not.


Yes, you are.


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I don't know why some of you are going on about being right and winning. Rob and Impediment were in on this gag because I PMed them. Silent and Rao PMed me and figured I changed the post. I highly doubt anybody thought Quan made the post, but simply played along just for the lulz.

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No. You're just a pathetic troll smile You can call that bashing if you'd like, but from your posts in the thread and posts in general, it's not hard to see I'm right.

You ignore what you don't like. No one is refuting that their was an explosion of heat which glass was formed from. So what? Understand, the phasing process fuses molecules. Thor would not have been in such horrible pain if he had just been trapped waste deep in concrete. His body was forcibly fused into the foreign matter, which is why simply blowing the chunks off him wouldn't have mattered. Get what I'm saying? It's like having a knife in you and snapping off the handle. Yay? Not really since the blade is still in you. Thor had to defuse his body.

You have no argument. Just drop it already.

Fuses molecules? How does that work exactly? Explain how that would affect a being that's not mortal......

On panel we saw what happened, he superheated the ground and he got out. That's not matter manip, no matter how much you wish it to be.

Plus where are the other matter manip examples you said he had?
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Yes, you are.

Explain what happened on panel then. Why did the ground explode and smolder and glassify? Explain that then we'll move on.


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Explain what happened on panel then. Why did the ground explode and smolder and glassify? Explain that then we'll move on.


It's already been explained, you're just trolling at this point.


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I don't know why some of you are going on about being right and winning. Rob and Impediment were in on this gag because I PMed them. Silent and Rao PMed me and figured I changed the post. I highly doubt anybody thought Quan made the post, but simply played along just for the lulz.

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Double post.


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