ABC logic is a misnomer that this board uses when backed into a corner. ABC logic only counts when applied to an entire character. For instance, Silver Surfer beats Superman. Superman Beats Thor. but Silver Surfer Does not beat thor. Why? Becuz surfer can use exploitable weaknesses against Superman. Thor cannot. Thor can counter most of surfer's powers and is the better fighter.
ABC logic does not apply when arguing one power. TP for instance. It would be like arguing Thor's strength alone, against, Superman's, against Hercs. Since strength would be the only arguing factor, ABC logic couldn't be used as a discrediting argument. As is in this case, Despero has Pwned MM in TP alone. Thus he is far superior to MM. who does have feats that are probably the greatest in comics from a herald level being concerning TP.
Thor can use magic, an exploitable weakness of Superman. And I'm pretty sure the concept of ABC logic was invented before discussing comic characters with it. Other than that, half your comment is still crap.
Becuz you say so? ABC logic only applies to entire characters. Not in the specific abilities of power and control in certain areas. For instance, Sersi is the better manipulator between herself and Surfer. Yet Over all, he beats her. Now go crawl in a hole. Obviously you didn't understand at all what I was saying.
I just pointed out that your arguments were falllacious. ABC logic is not just used to discuss comic characters (what you said) and that Thor could not exploit a weakness (which he can). Maybe I didn't understand what you say because you wrote it with false arguments and lies.
Are you really that worried about what I'll find if I look up the "feats" you mentioned ?
Anyway, I'll WANT you to respond to me when you can actually adhere to the rules of debate...
No Bias Claims
"Batman can beat Thor because he's cooler!" That's an example of how not to debate. We would like to see the rationale behind any claims that one character can beat the other rather than a claim based on popularity and subjective bias. Also, we insist that all claims be backed up by evidence from canon sources. If you claim that Spiderman is stronger than Superman, then you have to prove it.
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Last edited by darthgoober on Jul 22nd, 2008 at 11:05 PM
Don't hide behind a Bias claim misnomer when I'm not doing that. Surfer has proven subject to telepathic attack. MM on his own has feats to suggest that he would give surfer problems with his TP. Despero owns MM in TP. Now if you find bias in my reasoning, feel free to point it out.
When has Surfer proven subject to telepathic attack?
And the bias I was addressing was the flat statement that Despero would pwn Surfer with TP without first addressing the Surfer's incredible mental defenses and ability to absorb psychic energy as well as your refusal to make any efforts to actually prove your point and your withholding information regarding the feats you mentioned.
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Last edited by darthgoober on Jul 22nd, 2008 at 11:54 PM
I didn't have to address those feats. Most of the feats had some circumstance that wasn't going to even remotely be part of this fight. And absorbing psychich energy means what? I'd have to see him drain one being, who would be on par with Despero, in a one on one fight. Surfer is going to drain psy energy while simultaneously being hammered by stronger than Superman level strength, and Despero's skill at using his Teleportation powers, TP, Tk, and strength in perfect unison in order to take down even top guys at DC. You made the statement about surfer absorbing psy energy it should be up to you to show how it would be relevant to a one on one battle with someone on Despero's level. Hell, the ray can absorb light from other beings, does that mean he could depower sentry? Hell no.
Sure you do. If they factor into the case you're making for Despero then those feats are for scrutiny along with everything else.
And I wasn't talking about Surfer absorbing the psychic energy from Despero's mind, I'm talking about Surfer absorbing any mental blast's that Despero sends his way. It's all just energy to Surfer and his ability to absorb energy is significant indeed(especially since the Unilord saga). So how's Despero going to rain down Superman level punches while sending out TP bolts from across the field? If he takes time to close the gap between them before letting loose with TP bolts then what's to stop Surfer from launching his own offensive?
And you never answered about Surfer proving subject to telepathic attack.
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Last edited by darthgoober on Jul 23rd, 2008 at 12:13 AM
Well for one thing, there is a reason that certain Despero's are attacked with Physical characters. I haven't seen energy casters have much success with him. For two, Surfer indeed could absorb psy blast if that were his intention. taking over someone's mind or shutting it down isn't exactly a blast type situation. That would require surfer to resist. And Why does Despero need to take time to close the gap when his TP(teleport) powers are second to none in combat situations? And yes Surfer can launch his own offensive. And depending on the body, he could get a win. But most versions of Despero seem to be durable beyond surfer's level of out put. Unless you think Surfer can dish it more than the combined might of the jla jsa bruisers.
I seem to remember Heat Vision affecting him fine and Fire making him cry out in pain...
That kind of thing typically takes a prolonged psychic battle and Surfer could start the absorption of telepathic energies at anytime during said battle.
Because you made the claim that Surfer would be fighting off TP and Supes level punches at the same time. Despero wouldn't have to close the gap to launch a telepathic attack, but he would if he wanted to get in a punch.
Do the JLA use their brains when they fight him, or do they fly like morons? How many IMP's has Flash launched in Despero's direction at a time? How many times has Hal or Kyle tried transmutation/BFR/etc against him? How many times has WW used the Godwave or tried to decapitate him with her tiara? How many times has Supes tossed Despero's fire fearing ass into the Sun?
When did the Silver Surfer get mentally raped? If no one can provide sufficient evidence to substantiate such a feat taking place then there is no basis at all for this claim and it should be dropped.
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Last edited by quanchi112 on Jul 23rd, 2008 at 12:52 AM
Different Host have different levels of Durability. One would assume we would take the best of Despero since the last appearance has no feats. Thus Heat vision only worked on one version of the character. Who earlier had still bitched superman in hand to hand easily. And I said Why would Despero need to close any gap when he can teleport in an dout. And just like the league fights like idiots, so does the surfer. something i'm sure despero would take advantage of. How many times has surfer flew into thano's fist.
Im just pointing out fangirl's baseless claims and giving "her"a chance to post some proof. Otherwise she is breaking the rules as pointed out by darthgoober.
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