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TPM/AOTC get ragdolled, and given how much ANH Kenobi struggled with Vader I doubt the Rebels/ROTS will have a very good time. You could argue that ROTS Kenobi gets ragdolled as well tbh.
ANH Vader might just be a lot more powerful than rebels vader. Given his superiority to Maul, at least rebels kenobi would have some degree of parity with ahsoka.
Do you think rebels vader was vastly above rebels kenobi?
I feel you could use maul to argue Kenobi should have been capable of approximating what ahsoka accomplished and then the fight being a 4 v 1 might make the difference.
The Rebels S02 finale is set 4 years before ANH. I suppose Vader's power may have increased over that time, but by how much is nearly impossible to say. I only mention this because FACPOV makes it clear that Kenobi(who was still trying to protect Luke) had absolutely no chance of defeating Vader during their fight in ANH... So I imagine we would have gotten a very similar outcome if they had fought in Rebels.
Imo: if Vader fights smart, and actually uses the Force offensively, the numbers shouldn't really be an issue.
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It's possible but considering the time gap, and how much more powerful Vader is described as I don't know how much difference it would make.
I think it would also be harder on Rebels Kenobi considering he should be getting weaker physically at this stage, not like Ahsoka who is still very physically fit.
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True although I think in general Vader's actual growth is perhaps not accurate to his potential due to well the original intention being that he lost a lot.
Vader was being a little more cautious when they fought in ANH -- testing Kenobi and whatnot. That being said, it was still stated that Kenobi had absolutely no chance of beating Vader there.
Kenobi did so well against Anakin during RotS for two main reasons: a.) intimate familiarity with Anakin's fighting style, and b.) Anakin's own overconfidence.
By the time of Rebels/ANH, Vader had created a new lightsaber style for himself(one designed to overcome the bulk of his armor), and he wasn't being hindered by the same arrogant douchebaggery that he exuded in RotS.
So the advantages that Kenobi had against Anakin in RotS wouldn't really be present against Rebels/ANH Vader.
Yeah but that was on his own. And I doubt he would fight less cautiously against 2 of them.
Was a new fighting style confirmed in canon? Because Filoni suggested Ahsoka would be able to do well against him because she's familiar with how he fights or some bull.
I guess if we peg Vader at Yoda level, and Ben Kenobi at Dooku level, then Vader would take them both (I still think 4 of them is piling on a bit too much though).
But I also think Vader is wise to fight cautiously against the guy who trained him, and mentored and sparred him for many years after having trained him.
Right. I'm just saying that Kenobi had no hope of defeating Vader in ANH. I don't know that adding RotS Kenobi into the mix would change the outcome... Especially when Vader could most likely rape him with TK.
TPM and AotC Kenobi shouldn't be much of an issue, imo. Vader could likely crush them both with the Force. As mentioned above, I'd be surprised if he couldn't do the same to RotS Kenobi, tbh.
I think Vader went into their second fight not wanting to make the same mistake he had before(namely being overconfident.)
May 24th, 2020 03:08 PM
