Does Snoke even feats to suggest his hype? Hype is often not accurate, otherwise every jedi and their mother would be one "of the finest swordmen ever produced by the order". Vader himself was supposed to be pretty close to sidious by hype, but facts are what matter in the end, and sidious proved he is >>>Vader
What ever amount of power Palpatine had as of ROTJ was too strong for Snoke's body to contain, otherwise Snoke's body would have been the vessel Palpatine inhabited. So I think it's safe to say that Snoke isn't as strong as ROTJ Palpatine.
__________________ "The power of the dark side is an illness no true Sith would wish to be cured of" -Darth Plagueis
Even if you don't think Luke was able to sense Palpatine's power during RotJ, his journal also notes that he'd been communicating with the spirits of Yoda, Kenobi, and Anakin over the years. Seems likely that he would've had a pretty accurate estimation of Palpatine's power, imo.
The Snoke clones were genetic mutations/strandcasts. Don't think Palpatine would have been willing to transfer his essence into an imperfect vessel.
Palpatine wanted a permanent vessel -- one that could contain his power indefinitely. I don't think he was interested in endlessly hopping from one crippled body to another.
Indeed. That's why he was only interested in transferring his essence into a "perfect" vessel that was capable of housing his power indefinitely without falling apart... And Snoke's decrepit body certainly wasn't up to the task.
That said, the imperfect clone vessel that Palpatine originally transferred his essence into after RotJ still held up for 30+ years. So it's not like he was desperate to find a new host asap -- he had decades to plan/wait for a suitable host to emerge.
I do wonder though, could Sidious do this to prime Vader? He says multiple times how weak he is and that he needs to relearn to regain his power. And he's def mentally off after seeing "Padme" and "Luke".
But the novel implies that his imperfect body started to fall victim to his own power upon transference (and as of The Rise of Kylo Ren comics, he's already forced to needing a machine to survive and get around in) yet it was still the vessel he chose.
None of the vessels that were made were strong enough to contain his spirit the way his original body did, which suggest that he was actually stronger in ROTJ (until he restores himself at the end of TROS).
__________________ "The power of the dark side is an illness no true Sith would wish to be cured of" -Darth Plagueis
Last edited by Dominis on Jan 8th, 2021 at 03:42 AM
I’m assuming the clone that Palpatine transferred his essence into was originally not decayed, and he didn’t realized until later that it couldn’t contain his power. The Snoke clone however was a failed clone. Although it had physical mutations/deformities, that doesn’t say anything about his power.
I think the Sidious/Vader showing is obviously not Vader at his peak but the gap shown is so large I think it settles conclusively that Palpatine would beat Anakin in a neutral ground. Assuming Snoke is just as strong should make him beat both Dooku and Vader all the same.
If undead Palpatine was falling victim to the amount of power he had in ROTJ, then that would suggest that he was stronger in ROTJ on account of having a superior vessel to access the full extent of his power, which would mean that Snoke isn't on par with ROTJ Palpatine, considering he is confirmed to be weaker than even undead Sheev.
However amount of power Snoke had obviously didn't decay his body to the extent that undead Sheev's power was decaying his, which means that while Snoke's body was strong enough to access much force power, it wasn't to extent that Palpatine's undead clone contained, which from inference would be the power he had in ROTJ.
__________________ "The power of the dark side is an illness no true Sith would wish to be cured of" -Darth Plagueis
I think Palpatine was just pissed that his apprentice had directly disobeyed his orders, and was punishing/reprimanding him as such.
But if you take Palpatine's statements literally, then it really depends if you think the "conflict" Vader was experiencing at the time actually neutered his power to any significant extent... Because you also have to take into account that Vader was pretty enraged by the revelation that Palpatine had lied to him about Padme's death and such(and anger typically bolsters Sith power.) So it's nigh-impossible to quantify how "weakened" Vader may(or may not) have actually been there, imo.
Aside from that, Palpatine also raped Vader with literally NO discernible effort, whilst not actively trying to kill him... Meaning that Palpatine himself was almost certainly holding back quite a bit.
So yeah, I think an encounter between 'prime' Vader and ESB Palps would've played out the same way regardless. /shrug
It was moreso that Palpatine's cultists were unable to perfect the cloning technique itself. Unable to make a force-sensitive clone vessel that wasn't deformed/mutated in some way. Perhaps Palpatine *could* have hopped into one of the strancasts/Snoke if he absolutely HAD to(we don't know either way), but that would have only been a temporary solution. He wanted permanency.
And as mentioned: despite the rancid state of his original clone body, it was still able to contain his essence for decadeS... Which gave Palpatine ample time to wait for a perfect/suitable vessel(ie. Rey) to be conceived through more natural methods.
Yeah I know what Palpatine preferred but he wasn't able to get that through either Snoke or the body he did inhabit on account of both being imperfect, yet the body that seemed to be able to hold his power for at least a time was the one he chose.
If you're suggesting that Palpatine was unable to inhabit Snoke for some reason other than it just not being strong enough, well I don't think that was ever suggested. Seems like they all were just not able to hold up, and that the one he chose was most suitable on account of at least being able to hold his power for a time.
Also, I posted this at around the same time you posted your last post in case you didn't see it....
__________________ "The power of the dark side is an illness no true Sith would wish to be cured of" -Darth Plagueis
Last edited by Dominis on Jan 8th, 2021 at 01:24 PM
I mean I think he'd still own him. But it does tie back to when Rebels was first released this idea that peak Vader was really during Rebels because he is deep in darkness. And that Luke spared that light within him. Now you can argue that doesn't directly correlate to power, but I'd think it does.
Jan 7th, 2021 11:24 PM
