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REVAN DARKSIDE
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Question Would they be stronger

Would the Jedi be stronger if they where allowed to love, so that when they fought they where fighting for someone other than whats good?
For me I would say yes as you hear of so many stories of people couping with things because they kept the thought of a loved one in there heads. That image gave thm strenght so why wouldnt it of helped the jedi?


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BornToRule
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well it depends............if they have someone that they love it could be used against them...well if for instance the sith captured or killed a jedi´s beloved one they could begin to hate and fall over to the dark side so it could really be used by their enemies.............or not?!!


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overlord
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Sure, I guess.. That WAS the whole temptation of the dark side wasn't it? Fighting with agression and such to be stronger and faster, or would it be better to keep concentrating during a fight?


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Nope, look at Anakin.

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REVAN DARKSIDE
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So take the example of a person taken hostage and touchered some times the only reason they dont say anything is because theyre feeling for loved one keep them going. Yes I can de a disadvantage but surely everyone has been in a situation where they got through it because they had loved ones?


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Jedi are encouraged to love, just not obsessively upon a single person.

To phrase the question as you want it to be asked- would Jedi be stronger if they were allowed to form attachments?

NO- that is absolutely the lesson of the films. Attachment is disastrous to a Jedi and that is all there is to it.


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It's not disasterous as long as the Jedi teach you to control your emotions. It's like Jolee Bindo stated in KOTOR, well I forgot what he said, but y'all know what I mean.


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Power to the KotOR.

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Yes, I remember Bindo spouting blatantly un-GL (and so therefore incorrect) sentiment in KOTOR.

GL is very clear at this point- such attachment will doom a Jedi. It is forbidden for VERY good reason and any EU source that makes out it is possible is simply incorrect.


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I will restrain myself from making a retort to your comment, Ushgarak
because I know that when ever someone argues with your opinion you ban them. *Walks of to corner, and whistles loudly.*

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Janus Marius
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I've disagreed with Ush and he hasn't banned me yet. But in this case I totally agree. GL tries to point out that attachment can lead to unhealthy developments, and when you have power such as the jedi do, you need to have a clear, focused mindpoint. You cannot be petty and act like Anakin does. Actually, I'd argue that he doesn't really love her at all. It's more passion and desire than actual love. He never listens to her opinion, he doesn't share things with her beyond a certain point. I mean, he confides more in Palpatine, the father he never had, more than he does his mentor of thirteen years and the soon-to-be mother of his children! Point being, Ush covered this one nicely in his first post. And I've argued this point -int depth- with you before, Revan.

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REVAN DARKSIDE
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Yes we have but I feel like it wasnt settled, I agree feels came make you cause problem but I still think that Luke only beat Vader by using his emotions so why shouldnt the jedi in short bursts as long as they keep control of it. Maybe having ckildren wand a family would help them find peace


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Because that single burst of emotions showed him the dark side.

Jolee talks about how love can be good if you control. But he seems to forget that his wife joined Exar Kun but only really fell to the Dark Side when Jolee refused to join her. Thats when she got pissed and attacked him tried to kill him, tried to end his life. Thats when she really fell to the Dark Side.

An attechment can end good 1 out of a 100 times. But it will end bad the other 99 times. The Jedi are right to say it isn't allowed. If you are close to falling to the Dark Side it might save you, but it will more likely make you fall faster. It will more likely turn you then save you. The Jedi know what they are talking about here.


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Luke reached for the power of the dark side when he needed to, I think all jedi fight with all they have whenever they need to fight (wich is not supposed to happen as they are keepers of peace) and the rest of the time they keep calm like monks! (cool huh?) But Anakin suddenly went stupid, but I can't understand the dark side anyway because it's fiction.


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REVAN DARKSIDE
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But what about Bastilla and Revan the only way to turn her back to the light is to tell her you love her and in truth are in love wuth her. That doesnt add up on my view, if the Jedi deem close personnal bond as dangerous then they never really live a full life, just imagen what your life would be like if you had no loved ones and would never have them whats the piont


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I will restrain myself from making a retort to your comment, Ushgarak
because I know that when ever someone argues with your opinion you ban them. *Walks of to corner, and whistles loudly.*


You know what? the exile tells the truth.


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Originally posted by Ushgarak
Yes, I remember Bindo spouting blatantly un-GL (and so therefore incorrect) sentiment in KOTOR.

GL is very clear at this point- such attachment will doom a Jedi. It is forbidden for VERY good reason and any EU source that makes out it is possible is simply incorrect.


that was the belief of the Jedi. There have been Plenty of sucessfull Married Jedi.


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Originally posted by Darth JLRTENJAC
that was the belief of the Jedi. There have been Plenty of sucessfull Married Jedi.
Who WEREN'T overly obsessive......like a certain Vader we know.


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Janus Marius
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Like I said, Anakin's relationship to his wife and hsi attachment to his mother weren't healthy. That's not the norm, but it is something the jedi are trying to avoid. Obviously this isn't apparent, since it's spawned this thread.

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I thought GL made this clear in the movies? While a Jedi will gain strength with his passion with that strength comes the dark side and well you know the drill...


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