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Cosmic Cube
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thats what an avatar is. It would be more correct to call Rachel a "host".

Avatar literally means incarnation, "God-made-flesh".

OK... Then who is a Phoenix avatar besides Jean?

Jun 11th, 2005 06:22 PM

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thats what an avatar is. It would be more correct to call Rachel a "host".

Avatar literally means incarnation, "God-made-flesh".

Jean is not God-made fles, she is not God.

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Jean is the only true Phoenix avatar.

Jun 11th, 2005 07:00 PM

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Jean is not God-made fles, she is not God.

She is the Phoenix Force made flesh, whatever that means.

Jun 11th, 2005 07:01 PM

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Well, Phoenix was described as Tiphareth back in the day. That's the sphere on the Tree of Life that corresponds to God (whatever that means to you) leaving the realm of the divine and entering the physical world. Many Kabbalahists associate Christ and similar divinities with this sphere.

Jun 11th, 2005 07:07 PM

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OK... Then who is a Phoenix avatar besides Jean?

as of now, no one... maybe there will be, but I doubt it.

interesting thing: originally Rachel was supposed to be a virgin conception, the Phoenix's daughter, and thats why they shared powers. But they dumped it and changed it to an alternate reality daughter.

The funny thing is, although this alternate reality Rachel was born to a Jean who died before fulfilling her potential and manifesting the force, she still has phoenix powers thanks to her DNA.

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Jean is not God-made fles, she is not God.

you are right, she is not God made flesh, she is the Phoenix made flesh. She isn't God, shes the Phoenix. big grin

Wolverine v2 #125- I've posted a scan, already- she is an "archangel made flesh".

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Well, Phoenix was described as Tiphareth back in the day. That's the sphere on the Tree of Life that corresponds to God (whatever that means to you) leaving the realm of the divine and entering the physical world. Many Kabbalahists associate Christ and similar divinities with this sphere.

thats one of my favorite issues. Religious symbology, mythology, the planet with no name... mmmmm.

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Jun 11th, 2005 10:42 PM