The first fact you've mentioned and it's already flawed. He is human, but that's funny that you're actually comparing him to one. Tekken's reality hardly adheres to common logic just like most universes. It isn't that hard to accept a human has a high metahuman stats considering it's feasable to attain in their universe just like many others.
See there, it isn't that hard to accept it's irrelevant, is it?
. You can lecture me about pyschological factors in this match when you hold a degree in such an occupation.
Let's see here, Where can i classify Shredder's armor, Earth? Wind? Water? Fire? Sounds like it doesn't fit anywhere in those elements does it........or perhaps Magic? Let me think for a minute what kind of magic does his armor possess..........................................................Sorry can't picture it magical as well.
And the turtles have yet to encounter Shredder by his lonesome without having to worry about Shredder's footsoldiers and bodyguards and encountering them beforehand. Sounds to me the turtles aren't anywhere Fresh everytime they face him.
But does it matter considering Heihachi > Turtles
Oh boy, first the psychologist and now.......a martial artist
I can't help but laugh at that. Not a big feat?......hahahahaha.
But I won't delve to that any further since you've contradicted from the previous post.
he also:
-miraculously survived getting thrown into a deep ravine by Kazuya
-miraculously winning a battle against a supernatural entity, Devil
-from getting assimilated by Ogre to fuse with him
-from getting beaten and smashed to a wall by Devil Jin
-from surviving the mini-nuke level explosion in honshu
That's pretty good for a 80 year old senile geezer like him.
Oh boy, what a load of exaggerative nonsense. So i guess that 12x better than the best trained cia, fbi, etc, etc couldn't handle 4 mutant turtles, 1 old mutant rat, 1 guy with sport equipment as a weapon and a reporter. Real nice.
And yes, he did have Kazuya's help. But of course, you do know just how tough a single Jack even at his initial stages is right? And they would've won too if Kazuya didn't betray Heihachi.
And let me rephrase that
Heihachi is >>>>> than any foot soldier or even dozens of them.
See there, i just added some more >
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So what yoe're saying is that Shredder can't have the robot suit?
I'll have to make a note of that, and impede Ironman in the future to fight only as Tony Stark...
Or we could bot hstop grasping at damned straws and drop irrealevent points.
Because of the distribusion of force?
You know what it's obvious with your insisted removal of the exo-armor Shredder has to be handicapped for Heihachi to stand a chance. So on even level grounds Shredder would win.
Heihachi is surely > than turtles. Firstly because of his experience.
And untill i see turtles easilly breaking through walls i wouldn't believe that they coud harm Heihachi. I mean if this were h2h fight.
turtles hit guys so hard that they send limp bodies through brick walls... they PUNCH OUT DINOSAURS... how is that not a comparible feat?
__________________ "damn jinzin, you're a real trooper, you provde fact after fact and pages and pages of proof and these wanton miscreants just keep at it"~MERC
turtles would also have their weapons.. just as shredder has his armor... arguing a strict h2h match is irrational.
__________________ "damn jinzin, you're a real trooper, you provde fact after fact and pages and pages of proof and these wanton miscreants just keep at it"~MERC
Punching Dinosours? Kazuya tore dinosours apart with his bare hand. And Heihachi defeated Kazuya. And even breaking through walls isn't impressing at all comparing to Heihachi.
oh so it's oky for Hiehachi to produce super human feats in spite of being human? bu not for anyone in the TMNT verse?....
well... aren't we the little hypocrite?
Anyway's you missed the point... hiehachi MAY be able to produce feats of superhuman levels but his stamina still gives out because he's HUMAN... shredder's doesn't plain and simple.
again those trains I'm always talking about.. they just left the station all over again....
yes a degree.... much better then say... experience... Just like officers who've spent 4 years in ROCT are going to be better prepared for battle than a 1 year grunt who's spent that year on the field right? And you call my logic flawed....
Are you retarded? Is that it?... cause it's either that or you don't actually watch the show like you claim... foot mystics ARE empowered by magic, use magical AND mental (telepathic) attacks, AND have control over the earth's elements... the sword overcame all of that... The sword reacted to the armor and shredder claimed that the sword could recognize things/weapons/tools of the same like... thus the armor has some of the properties of the sword... which would explain his ability to walk through 89% of what gets thrown his way...
what the sword produces>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>simple concussive force as you claimed.
Again WATCH THE SHOW...in departure shredder without his armor takes on the turtles and splinter.. when he finds out Bishop is in his HQ he says and I quote "this changes everything!" he instantly kicks the bejesus out of all of them in less than 7 seconds... no joke... no armor... just shredder skill at it's finest... And the turtles
you'd have to prove that first.. like cresh said you're basing that off nothing more than uneducated assumptions....
honestly, how long CAN you go without sticking your foot in your mouth? it's pathetic.. really....
It would seem laughing is ALL you can do when faced against a superior argument...
don't point out the contradiction or anything just claim I've made one eand hope that that's enough...
It was miraculous... it left him drifting into a coma like state and everyone was AMAZED he survived...
who's big claim to fame was taking out a little team of special forces guys? pffftt.. wolveirne would have done more damage...
this proves what?
again another feat every street level and their grandma does... every time shredder hits the turtles and sends em flying they end up smashed into a wall.. hell even the elite foot can do that...
which left him unconcious for a month and was again YES miraculous....
yes it is.. and it means there needs to have some questions answered by the tekken team but until then he's still an 80 yr old geezer who's gonna putter out against the shredhead...
oh boy ignoring factual evidence AGAIN cuase you don't like it.. real nice...
that resulting explosion says different...
you're aware how tough cyber foot ninjas are right? TMNT>>>>>cybers...
shredder>>>TMNT... that simple.
which I can agree to..... but hundreds of them? and a swat team... AND foot elite? no... not likely....
__________________ "damn jinzin, you're a real trooper, you provde fact after fact and pages and pages of proof and these wanton miscreants just keep at it"~MERC
robot dinosaurs.. in a non canon cartoon.... hell if we're allowed to use whatever media wewant though.. hell I choose anime shredder.. he's a threat on a planetary level... so long hiehachi...
__________________ "damn jinzin, you're a real trooper, you provde fact after fact and pages and pages of proof and these wanton miscreants just keep at it"~MERC
WEAKEST punch from Heihachi is capable of breaking through meter thick wall. His hardest punch is twenty times stronger than his weakest punch. So his hardest punch is capable of killing Shredder instantly.
LOL okay we go by video games then.. shredder transforms into supes and STILL kills hiehachi with all his strange and random superpowers...
__________________ "damn jinzin, you're a real trooper, you provde fact after fact and pages and pages of proof and these wanton miscreants just keep at it"~MERC
naw.. in a number of th SNES and sega games he transformed at the end of the game at will...
his super powers included
super strength, super speed, levitation. warping, napalm attack (fire came out of the ground), random lighting bolts that rained from the heavens, and his MA skills...
__________________ "damn jinzin, you're a real trooper, you provde fact after fact and pages and pages of proof and these wanton miscreants just keep at it"~MERC
what do you based that doubt on? I mean arguing against the classic turtles is almost worse than arguing against the current ones... classic ninja turtles tore robotic machines apart with their bare hands, dodged continuous lazer fire on a consistant basis and punched rock soldiers from demension x unconsious....
__________________ "damn jinzin, you're a real trooper, you provde fact after fact and pages and pages of proof and these wanton miscreants just keep at it"~MERC
__________________ "damn jinzin, you're a real trooper, you provde fact after fact and pages and pages of proof and these wanton miscreants just keep at it"~MERC
I bet you, i bet you that if Feng will appear in tekken 6 he'll posses those Dragon powers and still will lose the tournament.
BTW if he didn't won the tournament it still doesn't mean that video isn't canon.
Like King's ending in tekken 4, or Brian's ending, or many others.
and it's not factual evidence until it's later confirmed by another game...
__________________ "damn jinzin, you're a real trooper, you provde fact after fact and pages and pages of proof and these wanton miscreants just keep at it"~MERC
May be not. But it doesn't matter, those dragon powers didn't made him much stronger than he already was. I'm going according to game. If he could break through walls with minimum efforts i believe if he gives his best punch he could break mountain even without those powers.
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The first fact you've mentioned and it's already flawed. He is human, but that's funny that you're actually comparing him to one. Tekken's reality hardly adheres to common logic just like most universes. It isn't that hard to accept a human has a high metahuman stats considering it's feasable to attain in their universe just like many others.
Apr 12th, 2006 09:55 AM
Otherwise you wouldn't have made such a stupid statement. 
"damn jinzin, you're a real trooper, you provde fact after fact and pages and pages of proof and these wanton miscreants just keep at it"~MERC
