Yes! Seriously! All my friends are too moral and goody-goody... sometimes things don't turn out wonderfully glamourous, you know. The "honorable" woman doesn't always have to end up with the whelp... I swear, I think you guys are starting to make me hate Will. Ha.
True. I dispised the way he turned out in the second film... He seemed more interested in his father then saving his love from death. He's just so... so serious! I mean, doesn't this guy have any humor in his life? That's probably why we love E/J so much better. Because they're fun!
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True....But better for us that WILLS focus is going away from LIZ cause that way Jack will get the gurl because PANSY BOY WILL cant hang on to his WOMAN!!! lol.....of course having JACK as a temptaion let alone falling in LOVE with him is hard enough!!! LOL....JACK and LIZ LOVE EACH OTHER!!!!
Oh yeah! Come on Liz, stop being in dinial... I've stopped and I'm just fine. Well, not according to everyone around me, but other than that little fact, I'm as happy as a clam! Lol!
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lol morally right?? Elizabeth killed a man for her own needs, she is not a good Port Royal girl..she never has been, never will be. She's a pirate (the biggest pirate of them all acording to T&T) and I'm certain movie 3 will prove that once and for all. Then the EW shippers cant say that she was crying because see killed a man..she's crying because she thinks she's killed someone she might love.
People are reminding her in Tia's hut that Jack is a good, honorable man and thats probably the only reason Elizabeth might be thinking she loves him because he did come back for her earlier and the whole scene suggested she was just in awe of him..she was holding his leg etc etc...it showed that she has deep feelings for him IMO
and for gods sake lmao..this is a movie about pirates..who cares about motally right relationships?..Will is not exactly set on morals in movie 3 apparently so they should be eating their own words by AWE
I gotta ask a question..are your friends Orlie lovers?
I bet they are the kind who think Jack is just the meaningless character and Will is the meaningful one. Jack has more layers than an onion. I wish people could see that.
They say he never changes but everything we saw in DMC suggested he can change as a character on screen and people STILL love it 1 billion for example..he doesn't have to be typical Jack from movie 1 in order for a story to work well on screen
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Agreed, it'll be interesting to see what will be said on this forum the day after the release of AWE. I know I will be HUGELY disappointed if it's not a J/E ending....I'll just cry, stomp my feet and be really mad.
And Lovely, I agree...we've said this many times...I think people were really intrigued and fell in love with the Jack Sparrow that showed back up on the Pearl at the end of DMC...the way he was so heroic picking up that gun, the way Elizabeth hung to his leg...when he says "abandon ship into the longboat....She's only a ship, mate......We're not free yet, luv"...all this seriousness ozzing from Jack was electrifying....seeing him survey and say his final goodbye to the Pearl with that sexy coat on.....the Kiss...the smile and then his final word to Liz "Pirate"....and then the bravery with which he faces the Kracken....so far I'm really disappointed how Jack is being betrayed in the leaked scripts of AWE....I was so excited to see the new "jack sparrow"....
The AWE boxoffice will be less than POTC 1 if it ends really dark with Will and Liz both dieing...etc.....I'll just be really.,..agrggghhhhh Ican't even think about it.
I'm not on here much anymore cuz I'm trying to end my obsession with this movie and my family's over it.....they want me to leave this alone....so I sneak on when noone's around.....Love you girls and let's hope we get our heart's desire in the end.....
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I agree with you lovethemtigers.
Why do I feel as if they may have ruined what COULD have been one of the most interesting relationships to ever emerge on screen.??.They could have done SO much with a J/E based story in AWE..but apparently its rather W/E based from what T&T are saying.
I cant see how W/E is going to be very interesting because Will is second fiddle as a character in the franchise..Jack in a developing relationship is far more interesting..they could have done SO much more with it
this is why I get the feeling movie 4 WILL be showing this side of Jack without Will there as the romantic character..it may be with Liz it may not be..but I cant imagine it being with anyone else but Elizabeth if the audience are gonna enjoy it
at the same time if they want to keep Jack interesting as a character thy need to explore him..and Jack just being typical Jack we saw in movie 1 isn't gonna keep drawing people back IMO..Jack needed change..Jack of DMC was VERY different in character compared to movie 1..his whole demeanor was rather different to movie 1..he seemed more with it in DMC, he was maturing.
I cant see how people cant see the difference in the Jack of DMC compared to movie 1..they must be pretty blind or if not that dumb...of COURSE his character had to change and develp..all good character have to mature and develop otherwise we would notice it moreso than him changing on screen
they are like 2if Jack changed it would ruin his character and the movie"
hello what DMC were YOU wathcin..Jack changed and the movie got to 1 billion and people STILL love his character..if not more than they did in movie 1.
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Gender: Female Location: Drinking rum with Jack in a dingy
Yes, I don't care what anyone says, we can not be wrong about all the clues we picked up on ...come on, was it intentional or coincidental that Gibbs just happen to say "sailing without a heading? something's got Jack vexed, and whatever bodes ill for Jack Sparrow bodes ill for us all"...and then later in Tia's cabin...Tia says, "what vexes men Most?" and Jack responds nonchalantly, "a Woman"....Tia "A woman, he fell in love...".....and then the part where she tells us "Ah Jack Sparrow don't know what he want, or do know, but is loathe to claim it as his own"...and we know Jack Sparrow's compass isn't working for him...
If Jack wanted to find the heart, the key and the chest the most in this world...why wasn't the compass working? Because he wants something else more...something that has got him vexed, something he wants but doesn't want to want..and it's interfering with his thoughts....It's Elizabeth....the big clues....in his cabin and he's tapping that ever-loving compass and then says "why is the rum always gone?" and he looks a little frustrated and angry when he says it......
And what about Beckett saying "fate intervenes"....fate interveining usually means...fate steps in and stops someone from making a big mistake....Liz's big mistake...marrying the wrong man, Will.
and.....norrie "it's a curious thing.." and so on.....
These clues have to mean something...and sorry, no way can it just mean "a bump in the raod" of the relationship of Will and LIz...cuz that's bull crap.....
Jack and Liz is the money relationship...proof's in the billion dollars, right? I know Pirates Life Fo...doesn't think it is...b ut do we really think billions went back to see Will and DAvy? Hardly....we all know on this forum and others out there...that we all kept going back for one thing...to see those wonderful and beautiful Jack and Liz moments.....
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And yes, If Disney would just watch those You Tube vidoes....I mean, they so outnumber Will and Liz it's not even funny....I've got some new favorites....these were my top: It's Beginning to Get To Me, Liz and Jack's Progression (by Kate), The Walk (from 3 months ago), Hurt, Beautiful Disaster, He's a Tramp, Niagara, I Need you To Love Me....Be your Love (from 3 months ago), How To Save a Life
And now this past weekend I found some new ones I'm in love with...
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Great Liz/Jack song, the lyrics are beautiful...
They Weren't There by missy higgins
You're the Storm, by the Cardigans
Slow Dancing In a Burning Room by John Mayer.....
If I knew how to make one I would make one to "Drowning" by Missy Higgins...anyone out there want to make one to that one...go listen to it, it's a perfect one for Jack and Liz.....
Here are the lyrics
Drowning (missy higgins) beautiful piano music
Maybe I'm just living out the same old stories in and out
But you know that don't make it easier
Time will fly away with me if truth won't stop and let me see
And tell me I am to believe that you and I should never be again
I'm drowning
When the one you leave is the one thing you believe
You say goodbye when underneath’s your one belief
That love rules all, conquers all
It’s funny how the times that seem unbearable
Are the ones that you don't ever want to end
And when your childhood slips away
You find you face a brand new day
And you know it can't be the same again
'Cause when you leaved you stayed in my memory
I’m saying goodbye for now and have a drink for us
And good luck in finding your way
Growing out will sometimes seem so far away
Never knowing if I'll live to see another day
Never seem to find out what to do
No one seems to tell you
'Cause you're drowning
When the one you leave is the one thing you believe
You say goodbye when underneath’s your one belief
That love rules all, conquers all
That love rules all, it conquers all
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yeah an entire movie was just a bump in the road of W/E...
no I don't believe that..something J/E has to emerge out of all of this..even if there is a strong statement that she has chosen Will
I mean HELLO..she killed a man in DMC..that was a rather large statement that she had chosen Will but the very action also raised the question "is this really what she wants most?" because she probably did that for a number of reasons..mainly because she was feeling tempted by Jack and she had to remove him
afterward.. obviously she realises she has made the wrong decision..and Will even seems to accept that she has. and seems to want to let her get Jack because of that..it looks as if her heart wants Jack and will wants her to follow it.
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lovethemtigers, you are a darling. you just found my new obsession. missy higgins is amazing--- im listening to her stuff, i cant believe ive never heard it before!!!
did you see the song "all for believing"???? cause its a PERFECT song for Jack and Liz as well!!!
Actually I have no clue of who Elizabeth is going to choose.
I think (sorry guys) it's going to be Will. That's what I think. You can see Will loves her SO much. And I don't think Elizabeth is this big pirate as you say. I'm not saying she isn't at all, and I think she does want freedom, but not in a Jack-way. Obviously she likes Jack, but I don't think she really LOVES Jack.
But I don't know which it's going to be. We'll see.
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Yes i agree will does love her but in the end he has to choose between his father or her, she has already betrayed him by snogging Jack, and I think Elizabeth does have feelings for Jack more then just lust. Ted and teryy said "she killed a man she may indeed love" and she is going to bring him back and in the comic she said "even if they have to go to Davy jones locker she will go" That obviosly means she cares for him, and the kiss was also something. Her and Jack are peas in a pod and the couple usually end up together are the ones who most alike. I have a feeling we will get alot of j/E moments and alot of W/E moments, but it all depends on her feelings in the end, Like keira said her and Will are kind of dissolving while her and jack something new is beginning something like that and most people say she only meant DMC but she had AWE script with her since she started rolling DMC so she knows something is going to happen. I have a feeling that J/E is not a bump in the road it is a path of new beginnings
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Yeah you have a point there, but I still have a feeling that Will and Elizabeth just... well, belong to each other. I'm not just saying thing because I love the Will character so much (Which I obviously do) but I just really think the two of them really fit.
But you're right, I also think we'll see lots of J/E and W/E moments.
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