Jim Hammond(torch) VS. Scott Summers(cyclops) H2H

no flame, no beams, no powers. bare-fists. no environmental interferences.

VS.

here are some feats of hammond's fighting skill.i know most probably need some examples to go by:

takes an opponent with a knife even disorientated by gas:
http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa197/namorsubby/original%20human%20torch/10.jpg
http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa197/namorsubby/original%20human%20torch/11.jpg

takes an armed man(he flamed his elbow, but that's pretty insignificant):
http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa197/namorsubby/original%20human%20torch/humantorch03-16.jpg

takes another armed man no flame:
http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa197/namorsubby/original%20human%20torch/humantorch1236.jpg

takes a police officer and an army official h2h, both are armed:
http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa197/namorsubby/original%20human%20torch/MarvelMystery23p09.jpg

puts two men down with unflamed one fist:
http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa197/namorsubby/original%20human%20torch/HumanTorch_10_pg12.jpg

takes out a sizable group of thugs with weapons h2h.dodges close range gunfire:
http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa197/namorsubby/original%20human%20torch/wca083-04.jpg
http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa197/namorsubby/original%20human%20torch/wca083-05.jpg
http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa197/namorsubby/original%20human%20torch/wca083-06.jpg

Scott

i've heard that scott was a pretty good h2h combatant, but i've never seen any real examples.

Scott

ok? maybe something to go by. like a feat or two. maybe?

i'm pretty sure hammond is stronger than cyke. and he's super-durable without his flame. he's been trained by steve rogers as well. he probably was modeled after a prime human specimen, or peak human, seeing as he always seemed to have a natural edge against any h2h opponent, even before he was trained by cap.

Scott

😆

i went to cyke's thread for respect and what not.saw 1 or 2 h2h feats, but he was using his beams along with it, so i don't know if that counts.

here's some impressive hammond feats,keep in mind he has no superhuman strength:

jim makes wonder man's head turn with a hook, although he is flaming, that doesn't affect his striking power:
http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa197/namorsubby/original%20human%20torch/AvengersInvanders-008.jpg

jim knocks down Thena, the eternal, with a hook. he's not flaming:
http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa197/namorsubby/original%20human%20torch/HeroesForHire12p23.jpg

here are thena's powers(besides immortality):
Superhuman speed, strength, durability, and healing
Energy blasts
Flight
Illusion generation
Matter transmutation
Mind control
Telekinesis
Telepathy
Teleportation

Lolz. Wonder Man was fine. He just turned his head and broke his glasses.

With that said, Scott wins.

Sure are on a Jim Hammond kick lately, aren't ya?

Cyclops knows Judo. I think he has a few other styles. He is a great thinker. He can adapt and learn your style and predict some of your movements. He is able to dodge the likes of wolverine and topple colossus with Judo.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Lolz. Wonder Man was fine. He just turned his head and broke his glasses.

With that said, Scott wins.

Sure are on a Jim Hammond kick lately, aren't ya?

hammond wins.scott is more skilled, but not far more skilled.......not at all. it's not like cap just gave jim a few pointers here and there. he was with cap for years. besides that he has at least 4 decades of combat experience. jim is also physically superior to cyke, not to mention he's super durable and has demostrated a healing factor before.
the skill gap isn't nearly enough here to make up for all that. besides that, cyke doesn't have the feats. the most impressive feat i've ever seen from cyke was taking a few unarmed thugs with his eyes closed.jim has done something similar, except he was blinded, disorientated, and nausceous from gas..........and the guys had weapons.

the feat with wolverine vs cyke is shaky. that fight was extremely circumstancial.

besides, thena is faster and far more durable than wolvie, and jim managed to hook her pretty good........not to mention enduring her slamming him hard into a wall with telekenesis......without any signs of injury or a KO.

when you see an unknown vs a fan fav in a thread, you might want to consider the feats/stats thrown out there for you, instead of picking the one you are most familiar with.

hammond FTW

Cyclops took on the entire X-Team with broken ribs and used very little powers, got slapped by a sentinel and didn't get ko'd. I'm really starting to think that you made this thread just to have Jim beat someone. Why would you put someone who has superhuman durability against someone who is said to have only human durability in a H2H fight? Also just because you hit someone doesn't necessarily mean you're fast enough to hit him. If the guy knows its not going to hurt him then whats the point in dodging? Its like Juggernaut trying to dodge a full-powered optic blast. Whats the point? Cyclops trains his body and keeps it in perfect conditioning every day.

Cyke.
He is a trained MArtist and can take 5 guys down blind folded (I think it's in his respect thread)

Originally posted by comicfan11
Cyke.
He is a trained MArtist and can take 5 guys down blind folded (I think it's in his respect thread)

why are you pitting someone with superhuman durability against someone without it?

Originally posted by namorsubby
when you see an unknown vs a fan fav in a thread, you might want to consider the feats/stats thrown out there for you, instead of picking the one you are most familiar with.

hammond FTW

Please. Don't refer to me to as some newbie who's never picked up a comic book. I personally love choosing an unknown...IF they deserve to/can actually win.

In this case, he doesn't/can't.

It still seems like its unfair. He pitted a guy with super durability against a guy with human durability in straight H2H. WTF? Wouldn't it be more balanced if he was fighting Deadpool, Rogers, Wolverine?

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
It still seems like its unfair. He pitted a guy with super durability against a guy with human durability in straight H2H. WTF? Wouldn't it be more balanced if he was fighting Deadpool, Rogers, Wolverine?

Yes. Yes it would.

* i gotta feeling he likes Cyclops very much 😆

* c'mon man, Cyclops is not a fan favorite like Wolverine, Batman, Superman, Spider-man, etc... in fact, he is one of the most underrated Marvel characters, Whedon even sees him as a team washout for several years...

* Cyclops seemed to be popular and gaining lot of supporters is because out of respect... not fanboyism...

* no feats? comics showed Scott kicked asses of 5-6 thugs eyes closed incorporating fighting styles of his teammates... he is an Aikido & Judo expert, engages extensive traning exercises of normal men...

* pitting Scott against "unknown" with super-durability is still a spite 🤨

I agree. I will even admit that I grew up hating Cyclops as a kid. The 90s cartoon just put Wolverine in my face so much I just learned to like him and hate Cyclops. It was feats and comics that made me respect him later on and realize that Wolverine wasn't all that great, just overhyped.