This other part?
It's been addressed twice already. You dismissed it as apologetics, I don't really care.
No u.
Yes, it couldn't possibly be that he's just that much better than them and cutting loose in a way they haven't seen before.
I'm telling you he isn't benefiting from the meld as much as they are, because that would make no sense.
Jesus.
He isn't the "calm center," he's described as drawing power from "a calm center; an eye." If he'd been drawing power directly from either Jacen or Jaina's Force reserves, it logically would have been explained as such.
You're asserting that Luke is weak or his abilities are exaggerated because of his show against the random monk. I say the random monk is anything but average BECAUSE he made Luke work.
I apologize Gideon, but i desire more then your word. I want you to explain to me how the meld was the reason for Luke's ability to defeat the immense army when he was scaling the citadel, when i remember one occasion where Jacen left the meld to use his vongsense and Luke lost no apparent momentum (pg 420 and i doubt this was the only time he did leave the meld). Also there's also the issue of Jacen's quote (see below).
“The uniting of several Jedi Knights through the Force, a technique developed by the Jedi during the Yuuzhan Vong War to draw strength from one another and act as a single, powerful entity.”
- the Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia , A-G, page 287.
“By telepathically linking their minds together, Jedi can draw on one another’s strength for support.”
“Battle-meld permits a group of Jedi to become stronger than if each stood alone, while enabling them to communicate with one another through the Force.”
- the Essential Guide to the Force, page 79.
Further proof that the Force meld or battle-meld goes beyond mere coordination.
Which means he didn't do it on his own or of his own power. Which means my point still stands, and he's no match for Palpatine.
I win.
Because, logically, he's their only hope; why would he lower himself to compensate for them when the outcome of this battle decides the war itself?
Finished. Nerd. And why are you calling me a nerd? One of us has a hot girlfriend, is insanely popular, and recently prom king. The other is you.
The calm center could be an expression for the Force, which the Essential Guide makes it clear that Luke and the others were drawing on heavily during the meld.
Which I never argued. Read my posts again. Using this case isn't a good example either.
Way to read like Nai Gideon. Please show where I ever said ANYTHING of the sort. In case you're going to look at the only one that comes close, I asked if your contention was either A or B, I've never even remotely implied that you have anything against Luke.
Maybe, maybe not. Ridiculous assertion to make with the amount of information we have about him.
You assumed that I was trying to downplay Luke's abilities, DS. That implies an agenda, which I don't have.
And I loved the read like Nai comment; fantastic comeback. I say we use them often.
As regards the Hidden One's strength, it's equally ridiculous to assume that he's top tier. The fact that he challenged Luke Skywalker doesn't mean a lot; didn't you once argue that Darth Nihilus couldn't be considered top tier? Well, Nihilus has a lot more going for him than this guy.
I didn't assume anything, that's why I asked you. I read your posts and came up with 2 possible scenarios and then I asked YOU what your contention was. So there was no assumptions or implications of any kind. You're trying to stretch what I said.
I never said he was top tier, nor did I assert as much. I simply said it's ridiculous to cast him down the star wars hierarchy based on the short amount of time we see him in Outcast flexing his powers. For all we know he could be low tier or high tier, but there's not enough on him to make any kind of assumption.
And I don't recall what I argued concerning Darth Nihilus, that's another discussion.
Since I'm unclear as to what sides to pick, or if there ARE any sides, I don't understand what you're saying here.
Who is clearly sexually deprived thanks to your love of a two thousand year old corpse.
We'll cover the rest tomorrow, once you're out of your father's whore's house and have cited everything pertaining to the battle meld that you possibly can.
The cited information is here. Once again, Eminence, refrain from indulging your frustration at being universally ignored. It's not our fault that you're fat, worthless, stupid, and hideously unpopular.
He killed Shimrra with no physical assistance from Jacen and what would be at best negligible assistance from the meld.
I win.
Prove it.
Sure I do.
Not entirely under his own power. You make it seem like he would be comparatively incompetent if it weren't for the twins, that he relies more on the meld than he does on his own power and "control."
You fail because you're obnoxious and reference a position that has absolutely nothing to do with this (read: my) argument.
WTF? How would the twins drawing proportionately more from Luke than he draws from either of them "lower" him?
This thread and its predecessor.
QED.
Imagine Jedi drawing heavily on the Force...
It doesn't answer my questions.
The first two can be factually disproved by calipers/machines and my bank accounts, respectively. The third is true (Super Talented Unique Person In Demand ftw), the fourth is laughable.
May 20th, 2009 12:49 AM
