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Originally posted by leonidas
the hf would keep his body from ever burning out--that was the problem he was having. pool's healing factor ALONE would have him surpassing the killability limit, wouldn't it? i honestly see no way that amalgam can be under the limit. god cable alone is VERY dubious imo. now he's got a bunch of amps and pool's healing?

Not exactly, in his short run he actually posses Deadpool's healing and yet he was still burning out.. I had Deadpool joined the fray to complete the package..
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Originally posted by psycho gundam
i say the root of the problem is god cable, i don't believe he is legal for this tournament as he breaks the power limit.

we can delve into why this is true later

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Originally posted by inimalist
draft: pre-cable/deadpool cable

potential: God Cable

basically, the draft is the lower powered, with max potential, which is what we can discuss as being either above or below caps


If you had thought he was above cap you should da commented on the above post in the first place, but nobody said anything..
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this was there also:

"This is to prevent the obvious loop hole of creating 1000 meta level dupes, then amping them to the amp limit."

This i've missed.. Was this in the updated rule.. Subconscious selective reading i quess.. lol

Anyhow im game with not amping the dupes to God Cable and limit the dupes so long as it's ruled i can use the C.O.S or i pick diff. Characters.. Makes no diff..


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If you had thought he was above cap you should da commented on the above post in the first place, but nobody said anything..

This i've missed.. Was this in the updated rule.. Subconscious selective reading i quess.. lol

Anyhow im game with not amping the dupes to God Cable and limit the dupes so long as it's ruled i can use the C.O.S or i pick diff. Characters.. Makes no diff..


in our defense, a pm WAS sent to inimal, stating that we both thought god cable>cap limit, but inimal ruled he wasn't. erm

i doubt you'd be able to use the cos on the dupes as that would be a clear breach in rules. if you redrafted guys i suppose that would be fair but it would slow things down, but like i said, i think you'll be getting screwed if you don't since you drafted them under false pretenses. we can have the match THEN you can talk to inimal if you want, or you can talk it out with him and determine what you both find fair. but seriously--trying to get a 1000 god cables into a magneto level tourney? laughing out loud


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my thoughts are an optional single character redraft after the first round for all participants. It doesn't feel right to only have one person doing this.

I took away the penalty for losing this match for that reason.


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Originally posted by leonidas
in our defense, a pm WAS sent to inimal, stating that we both thought god cable>cap limit, but inimal ruled he wasn't. erm

i doubt you'd be able to use the cos on the dupes as that would be a clear breach in rules. if you redrafted guys i suppose that would be fair but it would slow things down, but like i said, i think you'll be getting screwed if you don't since you drafted them under false pretenses. we can have the match THEN you can talk to inimal if you want, or you can talk it out with him and determine what you both find fair. but seriously--trying to get a 1000 god cables into a magneto level tourney? laughing out loud

No! there is a way of doing it with out breaking any rules.. this way the amalgam dupes wouldn't even hit caps, meaning no god cable. This way there is no delay to the tourney and can proceed normally, let's see what Inimalist thinks..

I thought I was clear this was my plan all along when I contacted Inimalist about some question that I have, so no I've never made any false pretense regarding what my plan all along..

Really! I mean you've got Ambrose chase, Machester black, capt. Comet. Cable
pretty much in that league.. Anyhow let's not go There we've pass That point..


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Originally posted by inimalist
my thoughts are an optional single character redraft after the first round for all participants. It doesn't feel right to only have one person doing this.

I took away the penalty for losing this match for that reason.
but what about this match?


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Originally posted by psycho gundam
but what about this match?


everyone is determined not to participate even though there is no consequence for a loss?

anything I allow you guys to do here has to be applied equally across participants. I could give you guys a redraft now and them after their match, but that gives Charlotte and smurph/jake a pretty distinct advantage/isnt really that fair to them that you guys get to redraft prior to having any fights.

I suppose its mainly up to you guys and Ambient. if you want to put the match on hold for a couple days, I'll give you both the option of a redraft and a bit longer for you to make an argument against God-Cable being allowed. If you want to have the match as is, thats cool too, with no penalty for a loss for either team.

If you really want me to force the decision, I'll flip a coin, both of you will move on, one in the losers bracket, one in the winners, and you can redraft after the other match finishes, obviously with no loss given to either team


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holy moly, third page already.

when the debate starts, this should be good...

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Originally posted by inimalist
I suppose its mainly up to you guys and Ambient. if you want to put the match on hold for a couple days, I'll give you both the option of a redraft and a bit longer for you to make an argument against God-Cable being allowed. If you want to have the match as is, thats cool too, with no penalty for a loss for either.

Well I'm game for revising my prep and removed the god cable dupes...


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No! there is a way of doing it with out breaking any rules.. this way the amalgam dupes wouldn't even hit caps, meaning no god cable. This way there is no delay to the tourney and can proceed normally, let's see what Inimalist thinks..

I thought I was clear this was my plan all along when I contacted Inimalist about some question that I have, so no I've never made any false pretense regarding what my plan all along..

Really! I mean you've got Ambrose chase, Machester black, capt. Comet. Cable
pretty much in that league.. Anyhow let's not go There we've pass That point..


er, NO! what....? confused

and i never said YOU were being sly--i said your plan was ok'd by inimal--for it to now be disallowed means you drafted your guys under false pretense--thinking everything is fine then being told it's not. you didn't do anything wrong and i didn't mean to intimate that you had.

chase's powers are enormously.....vague. black is very solid. the version of comet we've chosen is NOT the most powerful one......

but you're right--we're past all that. let's just have the match and end the delays. unless you really want a redraft or..... something? confused


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Erm... Sorry, I read that wrong..

Alright. So do we debate under normal steps or should I revise without god Cable dupes?


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Erm... Sorry, I read that wrong..

Alright. So do we debate under normal steps or should I revise without god Cable dupes?


frankly, i'm fine either way. i'm not too sure what exactly is happening....


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alright, if you are all fine with debating under the normal stips with God Cable and whatever, have at it

1, 2, 3 GO!


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no dupes over mid meta at least, simply overlooking that transgression should be fine

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holy moly, third page already.

when the debate starts, this should be good...
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Revised




Cable utters the word," bodyslide by two", and Deadpool joins the fray.

Meanwhile Warlock downloads and interface with Professor; the A.I computer that runs Providence. This practically
allowed him privy to the Dominus Objective and Cone of Silence which was then absorb and integrated within Warlock.

Warlock then meld with Cable.

The now Cable/Warlock encase Multiple Man into a suit of armor that allowed both parties simultaneous access to they're innate inborn powers..

The amalgam character will first use Multiple Man's power to duplicate into the thousands and rewrite the techno-organic virus that's plaque's
Cable to recede therefore increasing his psionic powers to godlike version. He will then create the cone of silence via Warlocks techno-morph using
the schematic downloaded from providence and meld/absorb Deadpool.

Simultaneously the duplicate amalgam also creates the cone of silence, a similar way to that of the original.

Everyone shields up; Grav-metric and TK..

Funfacts:

The Dominus Objective grants tecnopathic abilities..

The Cone of Silence is a malleable personal grav-metric force field that simulates tk..

Warlock/Multiple Man/Cable is still within the high limit meta, no where close to herald..

The techo-virus recoding, the creation of the cone of silence and the absorption of Deadpool happened after duplication..


Attack Strat:

Everyone Scans via TP or bio-scan..

Once opponents are located we proceed the attack with long range tp, technopathic and TK via lifting those cliff and chuck it or plain squezz till pop towards the advancing enemys ..

Simple but effective.. big grin


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First lets start with your prep..
quote:
kabuto:

kabuto destroys their individuality by implanting a kunai talismans into them (magneto/comet can expedite this with their power)


This was a big mistake on your part, here is why..

quote:
cap'n comet:/u]

creates said powerful mindlink with the minds of the summons/magneto, and erects shields around them. that psionic shield is then encased in magneto's shield. he also makes it so mentally they are hidden


Against the rule to tampered or give an outside amp to your summon and since your dis-allowed to do this you have lost control of them and by them, I mean mindless zombies..

However it is a big advantage to my team since i will be able to control them via mind tp, adding more parties to my team..

Additionally neither of your teams have any means to protect from technopathic intrusion/attack..

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So more army..

no defense against techno-pathy..

Equals win.. for me..

yes


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you'd have to prove that it's an "amp" in any way (no stats or power limits buffed period), and the zombies aren't mindless, just subdued by the technique. inamalist pointed out that shielding them was an issue, that is gone


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ok then,i guess let's have at it. smile

i'll let pg deal with the kabuto stuff, so, moving on....

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Meanwhile Warlock downloads and interface with Professor; the A.I computer that runs Providence.
allowed him privy to the Dominus Objective and Cone of Silence which was then absorb and integrated within Warlock.
[/b]


so, i've a whole bunch of issues with this first bit smile

1. professor is SENTIENT. as such, i'd question whether it is even legal to have him. in a real sense, it's very much like having another character.

2. regardless of that, some scans showing warlock's ability to interface with tech would help show the scope of this ability.

3. why would having access to the professor grant access to dominus? dominus is CERTAINLY not considered "standard equipment", nor was it originally stored in providence. so..... how would warlock be able to access it at all? as well, it needs to be attached to a massive server in order to work:

On Providence, Cable and Deadpool are sparring, while Cable explains the Dominus Objective again to Deadpool. He tries to make clear that the hard-drive when attached to a big server will be able to funnel all kinds of information to a single person. Deadpool responds with a kick and gives some examples of information that the Dominus Objective can obtain: porn files, diplomatic files and bank accounts. Cable wonders what was so difficult to get about that. Deadpool, in return, wonders what was so hard to explain about that.

so, what's it attached to? confused

4. much of the same can be said of the cone of silence. also not standard gear.

you basically said warlock interfaces with professor (who may not be legal) and then just...... gets all this stuff? confused

proof and further explanation would be nice.

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Warlock then meld with Cable.

The now Cable/Warlock encase Multiple Man into a suit of armor that allowed both parties simultaneous access to they're innate inborn powers..


okay, here again i have some questions:

1. has warlock ever joined with more than one person before? you say he melds with cable, and i get that, but then you say he makes a suit of armor and jamie clones them all. welllll..... has jamie ever cloned himself wearing armor? maybe, but i'd like to see it all the same. if not, and you're saying that warlock simply amalgamates with cable then the cable/warlock combo amalgamates with jamie, i'd love to see scans of warlock being able to amalgamate with multiple (heh no pun intended) persons. so, prove he can do it FIRST, then i'll respond a little further.

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The amalgam character will first use Multiple Man's power to duplicate into the thousands and rewrite the techno-organic virus that's plaque's
Cable to recede therefore increasing his psionic powers to godlike version. He will then create the cone of silence via Warlocks techno-morph using
the schematic downloaded from providence and meld/absorb Deadpool.

Simultaneously the duplicate amalgam also creates the cone of silence, a similar way to that of the original.


prove you can even GET the schematics for the cos....

[quote\]The Dominus Objective grants tecnopathic abilities..[/quote]

nah. it grants access to INFORMATION only. black box (who is the one who wanted it never had true 'technopathic' abilities--he could just find almost any piece of info instantly. he referred to himself as a god, such was his information access. i should know--i used him in a tourney. smile

quote:
The Cone of Silence is a malleable personal grav-metric force field that simulates tk..


if you can get it you mean....

quote:
[center]Attack Strat:

Everyone Scans via TP or bio-scan..

Once opponents are located we proceed the attack with long range tp, technopathic and TK via lifting those cliff and chuck it or plain squezz till pop towards the advancing enemys ..

Simple but effective.. big grin
[/B]
[/quote]

so, how exactly DO you find us anyway? mags willpower and shields+comet's mindshield will make us undetectable both visually and telepathically. xavier himself needed jean's help to penetrate mags' mind:

http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/...chicdefense.jpg

and in this case, he has comet actively shielding them. you also have our own smaller army to deal with. even if you DO somehow find us, how do you penetrate our shield when even DARK phoenix has failed to do so?

http://imageshack.us/f/371/magtakesphoenixblast7nn.jpg/

we, on the other hand, are a nightmare for you. even though they are amalgamated, cable is still cable. by that i mean he still has a lot of metal throughout his body. that's bad:

http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/...orce2539fd7.jpg

VERY bad....

you might argue that warlock's form wil help protect him. unfortunately, THAT isn't much solace for you....

http://imageshack.us/f/116/newmutants04019hw0.jpg/

that was a weakened mags easily one-shotting warlock. and while you may say warlock was also weak, mags was also holding back and cared a lot for warlock. and weakened or not, warlock runs on bio-electric energy and of course he has a life force. really, all mag's needs to do is this:

http://imageshack.us/f/41/xmen11215b.jpg/

if he can do that to PHOENIX, your amalgam--which is ALREADY supremely vulnerable to magneto's powers--has no chance.

so, to recap--not sure you can get your hands on all the things you said you could.

magneto has already one-shotted warlock and utterly destroyed cable. we've seen him resist tk attacks from PHOENIX and steal her life force. to attack his mind on its own XAVIER needed to psi link with jean, and now he has comet backing him up. and we've not even touched on comet yet, or kabuto!

you may have a 1000, but mags can decimate each one of them, and you've no proof at all that you can harm us with any of your offensive abilities. smile


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An Amp does not only necessitate an increase in one's physical standings but also an added physical abilities and in these case the mind-linking ability; the ability to send, receive, share thoughts.. Which was added by Capt. Comet to your summons, an illegal move in these case..


Destroying there individuality makes theme unable to think, act for themselves = mindless you could say and being raise back from death equates to a zombie, a mindless zombie.. big grin

I'll reply on leo's post a later, using iPhone right now..


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mind linking is no more an amp than would be amalgamating a summoned character with another (for instance, deadpool). In terms of the zombies, it seems that this is more mind control than buffing.

the other issue I want to hit before it comes up: "summoned" characters are a classification, not a description. Even if killed and then summoned back to life, a drafted character is still a drafted character, not a summoned character.


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Originally posted by Ambient
[b]Attack Strat:

Everyone Scans via TP or bio-scan..

Once opponents are located.....
cool, that just means you attack zombies since they are visible. magneto and comet get first blood when they attack cable prime

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Originally posted by Ambient
we proceed the attack with long range tp, technopathic and TK via lifting those cliff and chuck it or plain squezz till pop towards the advancing enemys ..

Simple but effective.. big grin[/center]
meh:

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all your rocks get repelled and the area they come from gets destroyed by a powerful gravity well.

smile

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