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Originally posted by Oliver North
0 - No strength, character is intangible and can't physically affect the world
1 - less than basic human, child, elderly [Power Pack, Franklin Richards]
2 - Basic human [Daredevil]
3 - Enhanced Human [Cap]

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Originally posted by psycho gundam
daredevil doesn't have basic human strength, he's olympic level. basic human strength is like random AIM scientist #467

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Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
I once touched upon this topic with Rage and zopzop and I think its something worth discussing in detail...

In comics (both in Marvel and DC) you have characters performing feats that are far beyond what they really should be accomplishing (IMHO of course)...as a result, I fully believe dam near every aspect of both DC and Marvel comics needs to be retconned.

Now assumming that it was up to you, how would you rebalance everything so that there is atleast some logic and consistency in the type of feats various characters are able to perform?

I'll go 1st to give an example of what I am asking for:


Street Level
Low: Can beat up the weak and the Elderly...or a normal person that is physically impared in some way; may be grossly out of shape and slow for example.
Mid: Can beat up common crooks/thugs.
High: Can beat up a very skilled and physically powerful opponent...Brock Lesnar for example.

Enhanced
Low: Can defeat scores of normal humans without much effort.
Mid: Can go crazy and wreck vehicles and small buildings one after another.
High: Can wreck large buildings and devastate city blocks.

Herald
Low: Can manipulate matter/energy or destroy objects on par with the Martian Moon Deimos (12km diameter).
Mid: Can manipulate matter/energy or destroy objects on par with the Martian Moon Phobos (22km diameter).
High: Can manipulate matter/energy or destroy objects on par with the Saturn Moon Siarnaq (32km diameter).

Trans
Low: Can manipulate matter/energy or destroy objects on par with the Saturn Moon Dione (1120km diameter).
Mid: Can manipulate matter/energy or destroy objects on par with the Neptune Moon Triton (2706km diameter).
High: Can manipulate matter/energy or destroy objects on par with the Jupiter Moon Io (3636km diameter).

Skyfather
Low: Can manipulate matter/energy or destroy objects on par with a small planet; Mars (6800km diameter).
Mid: Can manipulate matter/energy or destroy objects on par with a medium sized planet; Earth (12756km diameter).
High: Can manipulate matter/energy or destroy objects on par with a large planet; Neptune (49500km diameter).

Elder God
Low: Can manipulate matter/energy or destroy objects on par with a gas giant; Saturn (120536km diameter).
Mid: Can manipulate matter/energy or destroy objects on par with a small star; Red Dwarf (210000km diameter).
High: Can manipulate matter/energy or destroy objects on par with an average star; Our Sun (1390000km diameter).

Cube Being
Low: Can reality warp several solar systems at will.
Mid: Can reality warp dozens of solar systems at will.
High: Can reality warp a small pocket dimension at will.

Abstract/High Powered Cosmic
Low: Can bust a Galaxy.
Mid: Can bust a Galactic Cluster.
High: Can bust a Super Cluster.

God Tier
Low: Can wreck havok on a universal scale at will.
Mid: Can destroy a universe, but not all at once.
High: Can 1 shot an entire universe.


Dam that took alot of time (prays this doesnt get locked; I put alot of effort into this)....

Anyway, again, how would you all rebalance the comic book tiers/power levels if it were up to you?

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Originally posted by 753
op's parameters are far too low and would inflate power level descriptions: metas would be pushing herald and heralds would be pushing skyfather.

the tier thread we already have is adequate for the most part

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Originally posted by -Pr-
Pretty much, yep.

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So is this thread designed as a new tier listing?

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Originally posted by Oliver North
I've always found tiers to be somewhat problematic. It seems like characters that have one very specific ability at a trans level often get equated with characters that have a vast array of abilities simply because that one skill. For instance, Man-Thing is far too durable/has too good of regeneration to put him in the Enhanced category, but lacks any other real powers to make him a herald. I think Hulk is also an issue (and, in fact, looking at the divisions above, it is ranked almost entirely in terms of destructive potential, meaning someone like Cyclops would be ranked far too high [potentially high herald the way some members like to cite "Get off my lawn"]).

It is probably way too much effort, but I've always thought breaking it down into a numeric system for different properties. So, like, for strength you might have:

0 - No strength, character is intangible and can't physically affect the world
1 - less than basic human, child, elderly [Power Pack, Franklin Richards]
2 - Basic human [Daredevil]
3 - Enhanced Human [Cap]
4 - something between 2-100 tons
5 - something between 2-100 tons
6 - something between 2-100 tons
7 - something between 2-100 tons
8 - ~100 tonner [Thing, Colossus, etc]
9 - Plot device strength (ie: so strong that the story determines the feat) [Hulk, Superman, Thor, etc]
10 - Strength is an irrelevant factor [Galactus, Eternity, etc]

Again, to break down each character or each potential property would be a massive task, but ultimately I think it is a superior system. Most properties could be evaluated using the same 0-10 rubric (less than human -> too powerful for it to matter), and some "overall" score could be calculated, if you really wanted to. I just think something that is closer to this is better than the more generic levels...

/2 cents

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Originally posted by yaadaveyaa
if u were basing off str wouldnt you just take the strongest physical character there is list him as the top and go down from there? like hulk then the next guy down and so on and so forth?

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Originally posted by zopzop
Ooooh.

Dude, then I agree with you.

In fact, I would go you one better. No God would be able to affect an area larger than where his worshipers have spread. How does it make sense for Odin (or any other skyfather) to be able to bust a planet if there are 11 or so other Skyfathers around with a larger worshiper base spread out over more of the planet (*cough* Vishnu *cough*) ?

Oh and before you think I'm crazy, there was a time when Marvel saw it my way too :
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Enhanced
Low: Can defeat scores of normal humans without much effort.
Mid: Can go crazy and wreck vehicles and small buildings one after another.
High: Can wreck large buildings and devastate city blocks.

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Herald
Low: Can manipulate matter/energy or destroy objects on par with the Martian Moon Deimos (12km diameter).
Mid: Can manipulate matter/energy or destroy objects on par with the Martian Moon Phobos (22km diameter).
High: Can manipulate matter/energy or destroy objects on par with the Saturn Moon Siarnaq (32km diameter).

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Low: Can manipulate matter/energy or destroy objects on par with the Saturn Moon Dione (1120km diameter).
Mid: Can manipulate matter/energy or destroy objects on par with the Neptune Moon Triton (2706km diameter).
High: Can manipulate matter/energy or destroy objects on par with the Jupiter Moon Io (3636km diameter).

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Skyfather
Low: Can manipulate matter/energy or destroy objects on par with a small planet; Mars (6800km diameter).
Mid: Can manipulate matter/energy or destroy objects on par with a medium sized planet; Earth (12756km diameter).
High: Can manipulate matter/energy or destroy objects on par with a large planet; Neptune (49500km diameter).

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Originally posted by carver9
Ok...so overall, in order for the characters to be ranked in a tier, they would need the fts replicating what you've described in your title? Also, when does the time period begin? Year 2000? 1990? Where do we start.? Some characters would be bumped down a bit. Wouldnt be as many high to mid Heralds and some of the trans characters would be dropped as well looking at their recent portrayals.

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Originally posted by Mindship
I'm all for scaling things down, eg, herald level should not be able to survive black holes, and street levelers can't dodge bullets.

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Originally posted by h1a8
I agree with this 100%. Good job. I would say that average portrayals though. For example, a character is in x tier if they can under average portrayals do y things. 1 more thing, a skyfather has to be immune to all bfr tactics (can get back from any dimension or location in space). A herald has to be immune to space bfr tactics (get back from anywhere in space).

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Originally posted by Uriel005
You're equating the name of the rank with power level. OP is more concerned with more defined limits and reclassification of heroes more than a simple renaming of the tier system. Like Captain America being considered a peak human.... no way in hell does he fall into high street-low/mid meta tier like some place him in. He's delivered hulk staggering blows with his bare hands and feet. He outpaces cars and has recovered from a bullet to the brainpan in a matter of hours. OP just wants to redefine where he belongs and give clear criteria to tiers rather than the roundabouts system that we have.

to be quite honest I would take it a step further and create sub-classifications to include things like energy manips intelligence etc etc.

edit: at least that's what I'm getting from this.

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So you have Human Tier

Below Adult Human: Aunt May, Quanchi (lol busting level capability)
Normal Adult Human: Jarvis, Alfred (lip busting level capability)
Athlete Adult Human: Flash Thompson (face, bone busting level capability)
Peak Adult Human: Batman (killer capability)

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Originally posted by Q99
There's character we currently have in this category who can do a heck of a lot more.




In almost all cases, if a character can do one of these, they can do all of these.





In almost all cases, if a character can do one of these, they can do all of these.




There are heralds that can planet bust. Heck, many heralds have.
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The problem is you've made benchmarks that sound fitting to you, but absolutely do not map onto the power tiers as they exist in comics.