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The Power to Cheat Death: How Impressive is it?
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Jaggarath
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Except Revan actually died and Maul didn't, which is a major difference.


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Maul cheated death on Naboo in the same sense that Revan did so on the Foundry.


Uh...No


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Except Revan actually died and Maul didn't, which is a major difference.

Still not quite sure which one is more impressive. To drag around a dead body or to stay alive without a urinary or gastrointestinal tract.

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I don't think pissing is a major issue for any former Sith Lord.


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Maul cheated death on Naboo in the same sense that Revan did so on the Foundry.
Well I suppose that depends on what your definition of cheating death is, is surviving grievous injury cheating death? I'm not sure. I think in order to cheat death you'd either have to survive a situation that its absolutely logical you should have died, or in fact died and come back to life.

In that respect, surviving getting cut in half isn't really cheating death, and has probably happened IRL.

I guess Revan did cheat death though, however the mechanics are a bit hazy I feel.


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How exactly was Plagueis immortal? Revan achieved it through his bipolar nonsense. Vitiate achieved it through his ritual.
He managed to take control of his midichlorians and get them to reverse his aging process, basically he stopped aging and therefore should never have died from old age. i.e. he was immortal, or at the very least could have lived a very long time. Plagueis was also able to bring others back from the dead, so he cheated death in that respect also. Simply put if we are going to mentioned cheating death, failing to mention Plagueis is just dumb.


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I disagree with the motion that bringing others back from the dead is as impressive as bringing yourself. The Dread Masters could reanimate Krayt Dragons and resurrect the dead as spirits that can affect the mortal realm, but even in the heart of their power they couldn't come back from the dead.


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I don't think pissing is a major issue for any former Sith Lord.


Yeah, pooping is a much more important problem.


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Maul is sort of cheating death in the sense that he's one of few men who have chosen not to off themselves after losing their junk.


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An inspiration for us all. Though I doubt he was using it for much anyway.

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He probably engaged in a bit of traditional Sith Masturbation now and again.


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See, even imagining that would make me want to go full Reek. Sounds awful.

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Peace is a lie, there is only passion. Hooooaaaahhh
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Through strength, I gain power. ah ah ahhhh
Through power, I gain victory. YEEAAAAHHHHH
Through victory, my chains are broken. HAAAAAAA AAAAAAHHHHHH
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Re: The Power to Cheat Death: How Impressive is it?

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Since the earliest days of the ancient Sith Lords, the key to immortality has been a central goal they wished to achieve. However, only a few have ever succeed.
Tulak Hord, Darth Nox, Exar Kun, Emperor Vitiate, Darth Sidious, and Darth Krayt all have used variations of spirit transfers to achieve some form of immortality.
Despite this, individuals like Darth Sion, Darth Revan, and Darth Maul have managed to cheat the system via sheer power of will. Why have not more Sith exploited this?


Because it's very hard. Even using willpower to not-die is something of a fluke of luck in many cases, or in Sion's example seemingly an innate talent.

Aside from that, it requires massive force knowledge and power. Every one on the top is a very impressive sith lord.


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Well I suppose that depends on what your definition of cheating death is, is surviving grievous injury cheating death? I'm not sure. I think in order to cheat death you'd either have to survive a situation that its absolutely logical you should have died, or in fact died and come back to life.

In that respect, surviving getting cut in half isn't really cheating death, and has probably happened IRL.


The same could be said for Revan's scenario, though.

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The same could be said for Revan's scenario, though.
Well Revan actually says he dies, his spirit left his body.


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There's also the fact he just drops dead as soon as the two rejoin. Revan's body obviously wasn't alive, otherwise he'd rejoin with it.

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Well I found a script for KotOR III write before the lauch of SWToR, Before the novel ToR. And Revan son of the great sith emperor take the relay of the Great sith emperor he is now the ultimate Dark Lord. He tank control of the great sith Emperor body, you know instead of influencing him.

The exile serve the empire but quicly turn against him and he is the final boss you die but Revan suffer from Mortal wounds Cause by the exile power.

He build his famous sith holocron during his last year !



Problème posé par l'Holocron de Darth Revan où il se déclare Seigneur Noir des Siths

L'Holocron de Darth Revan, qui est retrouvé par Darth Bane près de 3000 ans plus tard (en 1000 BBY) sur Lehon (Rakata Prime - la planète proche de la Forge Stellaire), très affaibli et en grande partie dégradé, comporte quelques enseignements de Revan que les ressources résiduelles du système d'alimentation de l'holocron arrivent encore Ã_ projeter. Il comporte une archive des us et coutûmes Sith, dont les rituels magiques (et, probablement, des secrets Rakata qu'il aurait pu trouver), les secrets de la Bombe Mentale (Bombe Phsychique) et les enseignements de Darth Revan. Entre autres, cet enregistrement commence par cette phrase : "Je suis Darth Revan, Seigneur noir des Siths" et se termine par "Mon temps ici s'achève".

Ceci n'est pas sans poser un problème car, Ã_ priori, cet holocron est un testament qui n'a pu être enregistré qu'Ã_ la toute fin de sa vie. Il est difficile de croire qu'il l'a enregistré Ã_ l'époque où il était Seigneur noir des « Nouveaux Siths » car :

Il est loin d'être "Ã_ la fin de son temps"
Il a d'autres chats Ã_ fouetter, en pleine Guerre Mandaloriennes, que d'enregistrer un holocron
Il n'a certainement pas encore établi cette "règle de deux" puisqu'il est plutôt préoccupé par le raliement dans l'urgence de centaines ou de milliers de Jedi
En moins de quatre ans, il fonde un Empire Sith gigantesque, couvrant plus d'un tier de la Galaxie, dont l'Empire Sith des "Vrais Sith", ce qui implique des déplacements constants et des conquêtes quotidiennes et le fait qu'il soit bien le Seigneur Noir des "Vrais Sith" et non plus, "seulement", le Seigneur Noir des seuls "Nouveaux Sith". Cela laisse peu de temps pour fabriquer un holocron, enregistrer des archives et aller cacher cela Ã_ l'autre bout de la Galaxie
Il n'a pas du tout le temps de les former et n'a donc aucune raison de leur dire, sur son lit de mort : "Prenez ce que je vous ai enseigné et faites-en bon usage."
Il est capturé par surprise par Bastila Shan et les Jedi, ce qui ne laisse pas, non plus, le temps d'enregistrer un holocron.


"Nouveaux Siths" ou "Nouveaux Rakatas" ?
On observe que Revan cache son holocron dans un lieu introuvable, chez les Rakatas (la zone n'est quasiment par répertoriée sur les cartes galactiques et se trouve derrière une anomalie spatiale que déforme l'espace, rendant les routes hyperspatiales vers Lehon aléatoires). Pourquoi cacher un holocron et le rendre introuvable alors que son contenu enjoint Ã_ suivre son enseignement ?

Il est dit que l'Holocron de Darth Revan n'avait pas la forme pyramidale habituelle des holocrons Siths mais avait la forme du "Temple des anciens Rakatas" sur Lehon (Rakata Prime).

D'autre part, c'est après son premier passage sur la Forge Stellaire qu'il revient dans l'espace républicain avec la volonté de faire la république sienne et de fonder un empire. Enfin, son équipement est entièrement un équipement Rakata. Darth Revan, qui semble prendre le titre de "Darth" Ã_ ce moment lÃ_, serait-il plus influencé par l'esprit obscur Rakata que par l'esprit Sith ? Les "Nouveaux Sith" seraient-ils les "Nouveaux Rakatas" ?

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