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The same intelligence agencies that told us about WMDs in Iraq, are to be believed now.


Lol yeah it's amazing that there are still idiots out there who still blindly believe everything the "intelligence agencies" tell us after all the times tbey've lied to us... smh.


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The same intelligence agencies that told us about WMDs in Iraq, are to be believed now.
LoL, can only imagine how clever you thought you were with that response and I'm sure your Trumper buddies will applaud.



Anyhow, time for reality: Here's the full version of the CIA's 2002 intelligence assessment on WMD in Iraq

The CIA's report claimed that it "couldn't prove that his regime had actually resumed producing chemical and biological agents and cast doubt on the actual extent of Saddam's program." The Bush admin buried the report and twisted it into "Iraq was an imminent threat", the Bush admin manufactured the cause for war.


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Guiliani got me thinking. Many people propagated false narratives publicly, some of these like anti vaxxers "free speech" lying/gaslighting put others at risk. On things like stop the steal, where does provable false narratives and disinformation become illegal. When should the FBI put people on watch lists. For instance posters on message boards?


Obviously never.

You're kidding yourself if you think disinformation is an objective standard that can never be abused by a corrupt official.


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LoL, can only imagine how clever you thought you were with that response and I'm sure your Trumper buddies will applaud.



Anyhow, time for reality: Here's the full version of the CIA's 2002 intelligence assessment on WMD in Iraq

The CIA's report claimed that it "couldn't prove that his regime had actually resumed producing chemical and biological agents and cast doubt on the actual extent of Saddam's program." The Bush admin buried the report and twisted it into "Iraq was an imminent threat", the Bush admin manufactured the cause for war.
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Election Officials Play Death Threats from Cultists



"Hey, Rick," the voicemail said. "Two hundred and thirty four years ago, the founding Caucasian fathers of America gave us the Second Amendment. Time's running out, Richard. We're coming after you and every mother****er that stole this election with our Second Amendment, subpoenas be damned, you're going to be served lead, you ****ing enemy enemy communist **********. You will be served lead."

This was just one of the nearly 150 voicemails that were left for Richard Barron, elections director of Georgia's Fulton County, an area that includes Atlanta, during the week from Christmas to New Year's Day 2021. On December 5th, Donald Trump singled Barron out at a rally in Valdosta, Georgia. He showed a video of Barron to the hundreds of attendees, and voiced conspiracies about voter fraud in Georgia.


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Shocked REPORT: Gosar Offered "Blanket Pardon" to Rioters

Hours after a pro-Trump mob stormed the Capitol, Republican Representative Paul Gosar baselessly accused AntiFa protesters of being behind the insurrection. But, according to an exclusive report from Rolling Stone, Gosar knew exactly who was to blame—and even offered them a pardon ahead of the events of January 6th.

An unnamed organizer of the Stop the Steal rally that preceded the riot told the magazine that Gosar offered planners a "blanket pardon" in an unrelated investigation to incentivize them to organize the pro-Trump protests on January 6th.

"Our impression was that it was a done deal, that he'd spoken to the president about it in the Ova, in a meeting about pardons and that our names came up," said the organizer.


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Kirk Supporter Asked When Do We Get to "Kill These People"?



From the Boise State University stop of Charlie Kirk's "Exposing Critical Racism" tour:

ATTENDEE: "You're brave. You're brave for what you say, and the fact that you stand up there and say it, and I appreciate it. I think we all appreciate it actually, because there's not a lot of people that have the balls to do it. But I want to ask you something a little bit out of the ordinary, so prepare yourself.

At this point, we're living under corporate and medical fascism. This is tyranny. When do we get to use the guns? No, and I'm not—that's not a joke. I'm not saying it like that. I mean, literally, where's the line? How many elections are they going to steal before we kill these people?"

KIRK: So, no, I—no, hold on. I—no—stop, hold on.


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Re: Election Officials Play Death Threats from Cultists

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"Hey, Rick," the voicemail said. "Two hundred and thirty four years ago, the founding Caucasian fathers of America gave us the Second Amendment. Time's running out, Richard. We're coming after you and every mother****er that stole this election with our Second Amendment, subpoenas be damned, you're going to be served lead, you ****ing enemy enemy communist **********. You will be served lead."

This was just one of the nearly 150 voicemails that were left for Richard Barron, elections director of Georgia's Fulton County, an area that includes Atlanta, during the week from Christmas to New Year's Day 2021. On December 5th, Donald Trump singled Barron out at a rally in Valdosta, Georgia. He showed a video of Barron to the hundreds of attendees, and voiced conspiracies about voter fraud in Georgia.


Oh Trumpers...


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From the Boise State University stop of Charlie Kirk's "Exposing Critical Racism" tour:

ATTENDEE: "You're brave. You're brave for what you say, and the fact that you stand up there and say it, and I appreciate it. I think we all appreciate it actually, because there's not a lot of people that have the balls to do it. But I want to ask you something a little bit out of the ordinary, so prepare yourself.

At this point, we're living under corporate and medical fascism. This is tyranny. When do we get to use the guns? No, and I'm not—that's not a joke. I'm not saying it like that. I mean, literally, where's the line? How many elections are they going to steal before we kill these people?"

KIRK: So, no, I—no, hold on. I—no—stop, hold on.
Bloody hell! ****!

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Typical unhinged Rightist wanting to shoot people with their little guns. The want is always there, they just rotate the reasons.


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Typical unhinged Rightist wanting to shoot people with their little guns. The want is always there, they just rotate the reasons.
True that!

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The "a second American Civil war is coming!" ranters. They pray it happens, so they can shoot other Americans just because they have different beliefs.

I was told by several Rightist back in 2008/9 that Obama was going to cause ACW2.0


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"Hey, Rick," the voicemail said. "Two hundred and thirty four years ago, the founding Caucasian fathers of America gave us the Second Amendment. Time's running out, Richard. We're coming after you and every mother****er that stole this election with our Second Amendment, subpoenas be damned, you're going to be served lead, you ****ing enemy enemy communist **********. You will be served lead."

This was just one of the nearly 150 voicemails that were left for Richard Barron, elections director of Georgia's Fulton County, an area that includes Atlanta, during the week from Christmas to New Year's Day 2021. On December 5th, Donald Trump singled Barron out at a rally in Valdosta, Georgia. He showed a video of Barron to the hundreds of attendees, and voiced conspiracies about voter fraud in Georgia.


Al Schmidt, a Republican city commissioner on the Philadelphia Board of Elections, told the committee he received several threats, including one that said, "Tell the truth or your three kids will be fatally shot," along with the names of his children, his address, and a photo of his home.

Schmidt said other messages he received included, "Cops can't help you," "Heads on spikes," and "Perhaps cuts and bullets will soon arrive at [his address.]"

"There are additional threats that my family asked me not to share today because they are so graphic and disturbing," he said, adding, "I have three little kids. My youngest is seven years old. No matter what our party affiliation, this is not okay. And let's be clear, this is domestic terrorism. The whole point is to terrorize."


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"Tell the truth or your three kids will be fatally shot" -snip

"Cops can't help you," "Heads on spikes," and "Perhaps cuts and bullets will soon arrive at [his address.]" -snip

"There are additional threats that my family asked me not to share today because they are so graphic and disturbing" -snip


Trumpers are so cringe.


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"Tell the truth or your three kids will be fatally shot" -snip

"Cops can't help you," "Heads on spikes," and "Perhaps cuts and bullets will soon arrive at [his address.]" -snip

"There are additional threats that my family asked me not to share today because they are so graphic and disturbing" -snip


Trumpers are so cringe.
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reeeeeeeeeeeeeee, not when the misinformation incites an assault on democracy or prevents herd immunity and puts people's lives at risk.
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As a liberal, who lives in the real world and not your imagined one, I do believe people have a right to say what they wish, but that does not mean they can say whatever they wish without repercussion. We have laws restricting some forms of speech, you can't yell "bomb" on an airplane without repercussion, if you don't believe me, try it. We also have slander/defamation laws.

eg The shitbag Mike 'My Pillow' Lindell is free to claim that the election was stolen and that Dominion was involved in the alleged voter fraud as he has been since December, but Dominion is free to sue him in return if they can prove what he's saying is both false and causing them harm in some fashion. Why Lindell is scrambling and crying he could go bankrupt now.



Perhaps false narratives like these should be prosecuted after all.


I'd recommend against imprisonment. You people need help, institutionalization in a padded room with a straight jacket so you aren't a danger to yourself and others is more appropriate.


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Which parts of my facts triggered you, Trumper?


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Guiliani got me thinking. Many people propagated false narratives publicly, some of these like anti vaxxers "free speech" lying/gaslighting put others at risk. On things like stop the steal, where does provable false narratives and disinformation become illegal. When should the FBI put people on watch lists. For instance posters on message boards?


'where does provable false narratives and disinformation become illegal'

I suppose one of the key legal things in play is "intention to deceive". I imagine in addition to that you need "provable and forseeable harm". The bar obviously needs to be so high its easier to aquit 1000 intentional bad actors than it is to convict one innocent accused.


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