Goku seemed unsure if Vegetto could beat Bills, but the Super Saiyan Gods aren't at Bills level, so...
Who wins?
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I don't know about this one, I would love for the creators to compare DBS' new powers to Z's. Maybe one day they will. This might be a good fight.
Massive ki vs God ki. I'd also like to know how GT's powers compare to Super's, too. Is Super simply a replacement of GT or did they not have GT's insanity in mind at all when making Super.
Actually, Goku knew that fusion wouldn't be enough to defeat Beerus... That's why he didn't even try it.
Anywho, V-Jump confirmed that as of BoG, Beerus was the most powerful being in the history of Z. By far: (please log in to view the image) "Mystery 5: Frankly... "Birusu" is Strong!?
We'll be blunt about this at least: "Birusu" is without a doubt the strongest being in the history of "Z"!!!"
This means Beerus>>Vegetto by proxy.
That said, BSSJG Vegeta, like BSSJG Goku, is approaching 100% Beerus' level. He cannot beat Beerus himself, mind you, but he is likely powerful enough to put up a decent fight. He should stomp Vegetto, tbh.
I think it's hilarious that you're basing your entire argument on a single statement from the editors at Jump. Who also said that base Vegetto was stronger than a SSJ4.
Anyway, what you're saying here, is that Vegetto shouldn't be able to lay a finger on Bills. But SSJ2 Vegeta did. So if Bills is a thousand times stronger than a SSJ3, then he doesn't do a very good job of showing it.
In fact, going by feats alone, SSJG could be less than a 10X boost to SSJ3. Saying it's greater than 50X SSJ3, is just purely ridiculous.
And btw, Vegetto is wayyy stronger than Gogeta, and Goku's statement already implied that Gogeta was stronger than SSJG Goku. So... You know. Gogeta >= SSJG Goku, and Vegetto >>> Gogeta. So unless the 30% difference between SSJG Goku and Bills, is bigger than the difference between Vegetto and Gogeta, then Bills has no chance here.
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Going by feats alone Goku hasn't blown up a planet. Of course he can so that is a moot point.
Beerus can destroy two stars, tank the resulting supernova, and then stand in a black hole. Tell me more about Vegetto's feats. Ignoring, obviously, the anime.
a.) V-Jump is a 100% canon DBZ source, of equal canonicity as the manga/Daizenshuu... There's a reason ALL new DBZ info(including the new manga) is released there FIRST.
b.) That statement about Vegetto "perhaps"(key word) being more powerful than SSJ4 appeared in the GT Special, not V-Jump. And the Special is not an adequate/irrefutable source. Some of the info in it was flat-out wrong, in fact.
Again, it's best to know something about the material you bring up, before you bring it up. Makes you look like much less of an ill-informed ass that way.
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Was it ever specified how strong Vegito was? I can not find any indication of any sort of limitation on his power. From all the research I've done, I could only find that he was/is not as strong as Beerus.
I was also told some time ago that volume 2 of DBGT Perfect Files stated Super Vegito was as powerful as a SSJ4. I've also seen it repeated by others, stating the Perfect Files as a source, but alas, it seems volume 2 has never been translated.
Going by his attitude, they basically used "Man of Steel" movie SuperDarkKnight for this one.
Well animated fight, but I preferred the tongue in cheek humor they had in the last one.
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This is the excerpt you're referring to: (please log in to view the image)
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It certainly doesn't suffice as admissible proof that Vegetto>SSJ4, as it is a speculatory statement, at best--"perhaps" x>y doesn't confirm a thing. There were a few other tidbits from that Special that were flat-out wrong as well. One example: it also stated that SSJ2 was never used again after the Cell saga, which we know is obviously incorrect.
Suffice to say: it is widely regarded as an inadmissible source due to all of its glaring inaccuracies.
I wasn't talking about feats of destruction, I was talking about feats of beating someone. Practically the only ones in DBZ with any destructive feats are Frieza, Kid Buu, and Bills. Unless we take statements, then we can include Cell.
But whoa, when has Bills ever done that? Or was it stated? Either way, could you provide the source you got that from? If you're making that up, I'll be really bummed though, because that would be awesome for a DBZ character to finally get feats like that.
Anyway, base Vegetto was stronger than Buuhan, in the anime. Either way, Super Vegetto utterly TOYED with Buuhan. SSJ3 Goku couldn't take on Super Buu, in the manga, and that was teamed with SSJ2 Vegeta. So Super Buu was at least twice as strong as SSJ3 Goku, and Buutenks was over thrice as strong as Super Buu, and Buuhan was over twice as strong as Buutenks, AT LEAST. That alone makes Buuhan over 12 times stronger than SSJ3 Goku. IF we're assuming that SSJG is a 10X boost to SSJ3, then Buuhan would be around as strong as SSJGSSJ Goku. And Super Vegetto could have killed Buuhan with a GESTURE. I'd say that at least puts Super Vegetto above Bills. Or at least around equal to him.
Although we have to assume a bunch here, because we have no real indicators of any of these facts. Bills COULD be a million times stronger than Super Vegetto, and Super Vegetto COULD be 10 times stronger than Bills.
What we do know though, points to them being close to the same level. And since Base Vegetto >>> SSJ3 Goku, I think that means that there is NO WAY, that SSJG Goku > Super Vegetto. That would mean that SSJG > 50X SSJ3. And I don't see that being the case. I would say it be EXACTLY 50X SSJ3, but any higher would be unrealistic, given what SSJG has displayed.
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Whis recounts a story where Beerus destroyed two stars. The destruction of stars leads to supernova. Whis also comments that it was dark and inconvenient, which sounds like a black hole. Since the whole story has a kind of jokey vibe to it it can be reasonably assumed that neither Whis or Beerus were particularly hurt by what must have transpired.
Then again Toriyama might have written it like Beerus just broke two light bulbs and that is why it got dark, ignoring what realistically would have occurred.
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