Pretty obvious the creators have a hard-on for Supes. Their last Death Battle was much better than this pile of crap.
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They argued so hard about the "lifting infinite weight" thing.
Superman and Shazam travel to the Library of Limbo to read a book housed in a sphere which details all the histories in the DCU, at a time when there were 52 multiverses. They read the book in order to learn how to escape Limbo.
Superman states "A book with an infinite number of pages occupying the same space"," this contains every book possible!".
Superman and Shazam attempt to take the book to a spaceship
Superman "The Ultima Thule's onboard computer has infinite memory capacity"
Shazam "Which means it could read every page of the book at once.".
When attempting to move the book pages start falling out and they drop it. The book reads itself.
Every book possible is a finite number of books, not an infinite number of books. There is no context to the weight. On our own Earth (Earth 1 in the DCU) we are moving away from printed content to digital content. It's safe to assume that is the case in other (theoretical) multiverses.
In an attempt to show some context we can try to determine the weight of all the books on Earth.
If we say all the books in the World have the weight of the heaviest hardback that means they were lifting 114400000 kg or 114,400 tonnes (0.88 x 130 million).
IF we say there are a million copies of every book ever published that's 114,400 x 1,000,000 = 114400000000 or one hundred fourteen billion four hundred million tonnes.
If we say there are a million copies of every book ever published in 52 multiverses that's 114400000000 x 52 = 5.9488e+12 = five billion ninety-four million eight hundred eighty thousand twelve or 5.9488 trillion tonnes.
Still considerably less than the weight of the Earth - 6.580 sextillion tons.
If Superman could lift infinite weight he would not have needed the help of Wonder Woman and Kyle Rayner to lift Spectre (JLA The Spectre Soul War 1)
If Superman could lift infinite weight he would not have needed the help of Wonder Woman, Martian Manhunter and Kyle Rayner to move the Earth (JLA 75)
If Superman could lift infinite weight he would not have needed to sun-dip in order to move Warworld (Action Comics 782)
Spectre was heavier than the book as it took three Justice League members to move him
The Earth was also heavier than the book and Spectre as it took four Justice League members to move him
Therefore Superman did not lift infinite weight.
His best feat of solo lifting is 200 quintillion tons.
Perfect Cell stopped a planet busting asteroid with one hand. It would take around 110 quadrillion megatons to destroy the Earth, which is the equivalent to 110 sextillion tons. And we could assume that its speed would increase that tonnage even more. And this was casual for Cell, btw.
There are plenty more strength feats like that for DBZ, but everyone, ESPECIALLY Screwy-attack, likes to ignore them. Just to wank every other fictional character EVER. Smfh
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It's a book with infinte pages. That was established. Infinite pages equals infinite weight. It was written as clear as day. Just because you don't like it doesn't change it.
Also it clearly states "it contains every book POSSIBLE". Let that sink in for a second. Not every book currently out. Not every book that has been written. But every book that could ever be possibly made. Meaning books that are yet to be. Also books that will never be. If they are possible, this book contains it.
That also takes into consideration books on other worlds, not just Earth. That means your numbers are WAY off just on that point alone as we see in the DCU there are books on other planets.
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Last edited by juggerman on Jul 20th, 2015 at 09:33 PM
Morrisons intention was clear as day, he wanted an infinite strength challange for superman. The moronic "debunk" opinions that are spawned over the Internet are just a "if i post it on the net it's legit" syndrome to make the people feel better and convince the clueless. Supermans strength is a plot device, like Hulks, similar to Flashs speedforce.
I'm not certain if they were trolling the DBZ fans, or if this was more what they felt was a "PIS free" take on the fight, as the last fight made it look like Supes had an unfair sun amp, plus almost all their fights make it look close for the sake of drama
The latter I could forgive, since they wouldn't be trying to push buttons on purpose..
honestly i like goku as a character more but id have to agree with death battle vid superman's feat far outweigh goku's and hes given more incredible feats story by story. holding a black hole in your hand and lifting infinity are just too off them.
can anyone show me goku lifting a quintillion tons superman lifted seven.... its ridicoulous is why i hate superman because its like he literally can do anything his limits are unbound. they werent even using superman's strongest version in this fight. pre crisis and prime 1 million are way stronger. tho im not sure supes is walking through a kamehameha head on i do think hed win.
goku is the much more well rounded and down to earth character which is why i like him more
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