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Big Plot Hole...Why wasn't the secret of who was Sifo-Dyas never revealed in ROTS?
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Anakin_the_Hutt
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Registered: Jan 2005
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Big Plot Hole...Why wasn't the secret of who was Sifo-Dyas never revealed in ROTS?
This was a thing that kept me wondering...just who in the hell was it who first ordered the clone army?? It was such a thing in AOTC and in ROTS they just tossed the whole issue aside.
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May 26th, 2005 08:14 PM |
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yerssot
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that's not a plot hole at all, there was no need to get it answered
anyway, read Labyrinth of Evil...I think... it's explained there
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May 26th, 2005 08:15 PM |
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Anakin_the_Hutt
Jedi Master
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I mean, was it Mace? Was it Dooku? I mean, AOTC left me wondering - but then in ROTS, it had zero mention of who deleted the location of Kamino and who placed the order. To me that's a big plot hole, man.
I STILL would like to know just who in the hell did it!
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May 26th, 2005 08:21 PM |
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yerssot
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like said: read the book, it's explained there
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May 26th, 2005 08:22 PM |
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Anakin_the_Hutt
Jedi Master
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Who really ordered the Clone Army? Didn't Obi-Wan say he died before the army was ordered?
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May 26th, 2005 08:32 PM |
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The New History
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Sifo-Dyas ordered the clone army, this was explained in the ROTS visual dictionary.
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May 26th, 2005 08:37 PM |
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Anakin_the_Hutt
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I thought they said he died beofre the army was ordered. Did he also deleted the location of Kamino? Who was this guy, just some rogue Jedi working for Sidious?
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May 26th, 2005 08:40 PM |
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Anakin_the_Hutt
Jedi Master
Registered: Jan 2005
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I dunno, to me this is a huge plot hole. The person who ordered the clones was a mystery in EP 2. You'd figure they reveal who the scoundrel was.
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May 26th, 2005 08:42 PM |
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DeVi| D0do
The 8th Deadly Sin
Registered: Oct 2004
Location: New Zealand
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How many times must we go through this?
SIFO DYAS IS SIFO DYAS!
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May 26th, 2005 08:58 PM |
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deaconbluez
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Registered: Feb 2004
Location: United States
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It is implied that Dooku joined Sidious while he was still a Jedi Master. But before Dooku told the council he was leaving, Sidious had him (1) Assume the identity of a dead Jedi (Dyas) and go to Kamino and order a clone army, then (2) erase the record of Kamino from the Jedi files/archives.
That wraps everything up.
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May 26th, 2005 08:59 PM |
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Darth_Sidious01
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Registered: Apr 2005
Location: The Works, Coruscant
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No...*sigh* wrong....Dooku as he was leaving the Order was recruited by Sidious..before Dooku left the Order Sifo-Dyas, a friend of Dooku's, had a bad feeling that the Republic would be in trouble in the future particularly war, hence he went to Kamino and ordered the Clone Army for the Republic....Sidious and Dooku found out about this and for a final initiation into the Sith, Sidious commanded Dooku to kill Sifo-Dyas since he was beginning to sense that the Sith were returning. Dooku murdered Sifo-Dyas after he had already ordered the Clone Army, making Dooku a fully flegdged Sith, and new apprentice to Darth Sidious. Sidious told Dooku to not worry about the Army, that it would "come to use in the future" but not now.
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May 26th, 2005 09:18 PM |
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deaconbluez
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You're not seeing the full force of Palpatine's plan. He NEEDED a clone army and knew it ahead of time. Dyas had no motivation to order an army. He stayed true to the order and the council until he died.
Sidious on the other hand, knew that in order to take control of the Senate more fully, he would have to have an army to fight his war. But it could not be traced back to him. Dooku presented himself as Sifo Dyas (he was a Jedi anyway) to the Kaminoans and ordered the army.
Sidious knew that it would be discovered and be traced back...but you can't ask a dead Jedi questions, so his Sith identity remained safe.
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May 26th, 2005 09:36 PM |
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Darth_Sidious01
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dude.....have you READ Labyrinth of Evil? It explains it in exact literal words what happened
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May 26th, 2005 09:39 PM |
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deaconbluez
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Thats EU, right?
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May 26th, 2005 09:46 PM |
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DeVi| D0do
The 8th Deadly Sin
Registered: Oct 2004
Location: New Zealand
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Yes, therefore not canon.
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May 26th, 2005 09:47 PM |
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yerssot
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yes, but it is the only source coming close to explaining who did it
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May 26th, 2005 09:47 PM |
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Darth_Sidious01
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Registered: Apr 2005
Location: The Works, Coruscant
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exactly my point ^
Is this EU not closer to canon than a person's perspective, although intelligent as it may be, it cannot deny the simple fact that this EU source is just a little bit closer to canon
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May 26th, 2005 09:49 PM |
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deaconbluez
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I would like to check out the book when I get a chance. Its nice to see things like this explained further.
I just try to get to a conclusion based on what is conveyed in the films.
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May 26th, 2005 09:51 PM |
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