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This has been bothering me

Basically, I realised that none of us actually exist (stay with me here). As no one will ever know the true you, and you can argue this point all you like, but no one except for you will ever truly know you. People can have a pretty good idea, but when it comes down to it, it is physically impossible for anyone to know the real you, all your thoughts, feelings and reactions. We perceive people in different ways, and our perceptions are all that carry on. You see, once you die, you cease to exist, however people’s perceptions of you remain, so you won't live on, but how people see you will. For example, every one of you reading this will see me in a different way, but none of those ways is how I see me, even though some of you may be closer than others. So, the way I see myself and others is in essence unique. It is my own world, my own society, just like you all have your own. So yes, the world does revolve around ourselves. It's not selfish, it's human nature. Everything we do benefits us. (Feel free to argue that point to, but when it comes down to the core, it's also true.)



So then I got to thinking that if we are nothing but a perception, and perceptions can change (which also means that people can't change, only others perceptions of them can) then are we not all in a collective consciousness? We are all perceptions, we are all dreams, we are not real, and we are just a consciousness, a collective state of perceptions and sub-reality.



This then made me wonder what this reality must be based on, and think about it... time is the answer. We are told when it is one am, we are told when it is eight pm, but who is to say that this is right? And if time on a clock is circular, then what is to stop actual time being circular? What is to say that our linear perception of time is right? What if time was just a loop? A loop that we can't get out of? But then would realising this loop break it? It's like the solar system; the moon revolves around the earth, much like our perceptions revolve around us. In turn both of these objects and all the planets revolve around the sun (the collective consciousness) now; can we break from this ever-lasting loop, just like a stray moon can? Or is it already pre-determined that we will continue to loop forever?



But you see, time is the foundation on which we all stand, and what happens if you knock down the foundations? Everything crumbles... So, if by realising that time is just a perception, and is not linear, but on a loop, am I causing my foundation (perception of time) to crumble away? Well... Yes. And as we are all in our own society with our own perceptions all I am doing is causing my world... or in essence my mind... to crumble... So by realising all of this... I'm sending myself crazy.



Seriously, I've spent days thinking about this now and I really am going out of my mind.



Someone please help me.

and no I AINT READING ALL THAT SHIT whatsis, i know some..ok most wont read it


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I read it, honestly...it confused the hell out of me at first but I understand where you're coming from. smile

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Ahhh, thats good big grin

*thinks is there a better place for this than the OTF*
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I'm glad you get what i mean though


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probably in philosopy or just GDF

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very interesting......but I could care less about what other people think about me. People usually =shit.


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Thats wasn't my point, but i can see where your coming from


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probably in philosopy or just GDF


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Sorry, but I am real (same goes for yourself) and I can prove it over and over. You can touch, taste and see me if you like. Poke me 100 times with a sharp knife and you will get the same outcome 100 times, me bleeding.


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Sorry, but I am real (same goes for yourself) and I can prove it over and over. You can touch, taste and see me if you like. Poke me 100 times with a sharp knife and you will get the same outcome 100 times, me bleeding.


To the eyes, but thats a perception,

I can't feel your pain, neither want to and therefore
I i choose to ignore the perception, to me you don't exist


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To the eyes, but thats a perception,

I can't feel your pain, neither want to and therefore
I i choose to ignore the perception, to me you don't exist


No, I do exist... You cannot defy the laws of physics. Close your eyes and tell yourself I do not exist all you want, but guess what, I will still exist in reality.


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Originally posted by lilmisskitten
To the eyes, but thats a perception,

I can't feel your pain, neither want to and therefore
I i choose to ignore the perception, to me you don't exist
I see what you mean but problem is that how sure do we know that we are not real. Do you mean that this whole life is just a dream? Not true. We sleep and wake up in the same world and in the same life everyday. When you die, who knows what will happen. And to be honest, this is kind of a dumb opinion but atleast its a good observation you made.


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I agree...but it's common sense. If you disagree read "The Minister's Black Veil."

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It is impossible for us to really understand what life, time, space and existence really is at this time. We just don't know!
You can go on trying to figure out all this, finding scientific explanations for what makes us and the world tick, but why?
Before you know it, you'll learn that love is just a hormone-induced reaction of the brain meant for reproduction only.
Or that everything you ever held dear is just a sequence of electric signals meant for your mind to interpretend as important, just to increase your will to live.
Trying to understand what we possibly are will take all the fun out of life.
Just follow your feelings and instincts, and remember that in some cases; ignorance is bliss


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We exist but "we" not you or me or him, her, or that one but altogether live and die. People don't play a major role in true reality. What is the true reality? After you die all will continue.


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Yay solipsism!

I agree with your first paragraph. Unfortunately, nobody can get in our heads and see what the other is thinking.

The rest I haven't read, because I have a headache and need sleep...


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No, I do exist... You cannot defy the laws of physics. Close your eyes and tell yourself I do not exist all you want, but guess what, I will still exist in reality.


Reality is relative. We only perceive what is real through our senses. It's not about physics at all, it's bodering on philosophy and psychology.

A person with perfect hearing will hear you, but to a deaf person, you do not have a voice.

I can stare right at you for one moment, but once you walk away, there's no way of proving you still exist.


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Re: This has been bothering me

Sounds like paraphrased dialogue from Neon Genesis: Evangelion.


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