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What is the devil?

Given recent discussions regarding Satan I thought I would create an official thread for the subject.

I'll start by presenting an overview of the Mormon belief as to the Devil:
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The English word devil in the KJV is used to represent several different words in Greek, i.e., slanderer, demon, and adversary, and Hebrew, i.e., spoiler. The devil is the enemy of righteousness and of those who seek to do the will of God. Literally a spirit son of God, he was at one time “an angel” in authority in the presence of God; however, he rebelled in the premortal life, at which time he persuaded a third of the spirit children of the Father to rebel with him, in opposition to the plan of salvation championed by Jehovah (Jesus Christ). “Thus came the devil and his angels” (D&C 29: 37). They were cast out of heaven, and were denied the experience of mortal bodies and earth life (Isa. 14: 12-15; Rev. 14: 4-9; 2 Ne. 2: 17; 2 Ne. 9: 8; D&C 29: 36-38; D&C 76: 25-26; D&C 93: 25; Moses 4: 1-4; Abr. 3: 27-28).

Latter-day revelation confirms the biblical teaching that the devil is a reality and that he does strive to lead men and women from the work of God. One of the major techniques of the devil is to cause human beings to think they are following God’s ways, when in reality they are deceived by the devil to follow other paths.

Since the devil and his premortal angels have no physical body of flesh and bones, they often seek to possess the bodies of mortal beings. There are many such instances recorded in scripture (Matt. 9: 32; Matt. 12: 22; Mark 1: 24; Mark 5: 7; Luke 8: 30; Acts 19: 15; cf. Mosiah 3: 6). Such can be evicted by the power of faith in Jesus Christ and the exercise of the holy priesthood. Jesus gave this power to his disciples (Matt. 10: 1; Mark 16: 17; Luke 10: 17; Acts 5: 16; D&C 84: 67).
The devil is called the prince of this world (John 12: 31; John 14: 30; John 16: 11); the adversary (1 Pet. 5: 8); Beelzebub, meaning the prince of the devils (Mark 3: 22); the wicked one (Matt. 13: 38); the enemy (Matt. 13: 39); Lucifer (Isa. 14: 12; D&C 76: 26); Satan (Rev. 12: 9); prince of the power of the air (Eph. 2: 2-3); Perdition (D&C 76: 26); son of the morning (D&C 76: 26-27); that old serpent (Rev. 12: 9; D&C 76: 28); the great dragon (Rev. 12: 7-9); a murderer from the beginning (John 8: 44); a liar from the beginning (D&C 93: 25); and the accuser (Rev. 12: 10).

He is miserable in his situation, and “stirreth up the children of men unto secret combinations of murder and all manner of secret works of darkness” (2 Ne. 9: 9). He tries to imitate the work of God by transforming himself nigh unto an angel of light (2 Cor. 11: 12-15; 2 Ne. 9: 9; D&C 128: 20). He is also a worker of miracles, by which he deceives many upon the earth (Rev. 13: 1-15). In fact, the scripture says he deceives the whole world (Rev. 12: 9). He can cite scripture to make his point seem plausible (Matt. 4: 1-11). All of this is his scheme to make man miserable like himself. Protection against the influence of the devil is found by obedience to the commandments and laws of the gospel of Jesus Christ. The message of all the prophets and apostles is that truth, righteousness, and peace shall in the end prevail over error, sin, and war; the faithful shall triumph over all their afflictions and enemies, and shall triumph over the devil. There shall be a complete and lasting victory of righteousness over wickedness on this earth, which will be done by the power of the Lord Jesus Christ.


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The names of satan—

devil—Matthew 4:1, 13:39, 25:41; Luke 4:13, 8:12; John 8:44, 13:2; Acts 10:38, 13:10

adversary—1 Timothy 5:14; 1 Peter 5:8

enemy—Matthew 13:39; Luke 10:18-19; Acts 13:10

tempter—Matthew 4:3; 1 Thessalonians 3:5

serpent of old—Revelation 12:9, 20:2

dragon—Revelation 12:3-17, 13:2-4, 16:13

prince of the power of the air—Ephesians 2:2

king or prince of Tyre—Ezekiel 28

lucifer—Isaiah 14:12

anointed cherub that covers—Ezekiel 28:14

day star—Isaiah 14:12

son of the morning—Isaiah 14:12

wicked one—Matthew 13:19, 38; Ephesians 6:16; 1 John 2:13-14, 3:12, 5:18-19

satan is the enemy of God and man—Genesis 3:1-5, 14-15; 1 Chronicle 21:1, 7; Job 2:7; Isaiah 14:12-20; Ezekiel 28:2-19; Zechariah 3:2; Matthew 13:38, 4:1-10, 25:41; Luke 10:19-20, 13:16: John 10:38, 13:2, 10; Romans 16:20; 1 Corinthians 7:5; 2 Corinthians 2:11, 11:14; Ephesians 4:27, 6:11; 2 Timothy 2:26; James 4:7; 1 Peter 5:8; 1 John 3:8; Jude 1:9; Revelation 20:1-3, 7-10;

satan is the tempter—Matthew 4:3, 5, 8, 11; Mark 1:13; Luke 4:2-3, 5:13; 1 Corinthians 7:5; 1 Thessalonians 3:5; James 1:13-15

satan is the father of lies—Genesis 3:4, John 8:44

satan sinned—Isaiah 14:12-17; Ezekiel 28:11-19; 1 John 3:8

The devil will be cast into the lake of fire—Revelation 20:10, 15

satan blinds the minds of those who are perishing [i.e. the unsaved]—Acts 26:18; 2 Corinthians 4:4

satan is the oppressor, Jesus is the Deliverer—Luke 13:10-17; Acts 10:38;


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The names of satan—

devil—Matthew 4:1, 13:39, 25:41; Luke 4:13, 8:12; John 8:44, 13:2; Acts 10:38, 13:10

adversary—1 Timothy 5:14; 1 Peter 5:8

enemy—Matthew 13:39; Luke 10:18-19; Acts 13:10

tempter—Matthew 4:3; 1 Thessalonians 3:5

serpent of old—Revelation 12:9, 20:2

dragon—Revelation 12:3-17, 13:2-4, 16:13

prince of the power of the air—Ephesians 2:2

king or prince of Tyre—Ezekiel 28

lucifer—Isaiah 14:12

anointed cherub that covers—Ezekiel 28:14

day star—Isaiah 14:12

son of the morning—Isaiah 14:12

wicked one—Matthew 13:19, 38; Ephesians 6:16; 1 John 2:13-14, 3:12, 5:18-19

satan is the enemy of God and man—Genesis 3:1-5, 14-15; 1 Chronicle 21:1, 7; Job 2:7; Isaiah 14:12-20; Ezekiel 28:2-19; Zechariah 3:2; Matthew 13:38, 4:1-10, 25:41; Luke 10:19-20, 13:16: John 10:38, 13:2, 10; Romans 16:20; 1 Corinthians 7:5; 2 Corinthians 2:11, 11:14; Ephesians 4:27, 6:11; 2 Timothy 2:26; James 4:7; 1 Peter 5:8; 1 John 3:8; Jude 1:9; Revelation 20:1-3, 7-10;

satan is the tempter—Matthew 4:3, 5, 8, 11; Mark 1:13; Luke 4:2-3, 5:13; 1 Corinthians 7:5; 1 Thessalonians 3:5; James 1:13-15

satan is the father of lies—Genesis 3:4, John 8:44

satan sinned—Isaiah 14:12-17; Ezekiel 28:11-19; 1 John 3:8

The devil will be cast into the lake of fire—Revelation 20:10, 15

satan blinds the minds of those who are perishing [i.e. the unsaved]—Acts 26:18; 2 Corinthians 4:4

satan is the oppressor, Jesus is the Deliverer—Luke 13:10-17; Acts 10:38;





According to Christianity, then yes you are correct.

From a neutral perspective, Satan is just like Hades, Anubis, and Angra Mainu; The only difference is that he happens to be more popular, and today many people beleive in him...just like people back then beleived in the other "devils" of thier mythologies.

In a few centuries from now, "Satan" will most likely be considered Fiction by most societies, as may God sad


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According to Christianity, then yes you are correct.

From a neutral perspective, Satan is just like Hades, Anubis, and Angra Mainu; The only difference is that he happens to be more popular, and today many people beleive in him...just like people back then beleived in the other "devils" of thier mythologies.

In a few centuries from now, "Satan" will most likely be considered Fiction by most societies, as may God sad


Hades wasn't Evil though, he's not really a Satan.....he was just like all of the other Gods, except of course, he got the short straw, and was forced to rule over Dead People

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Satan got a bad rap I think.

First - why did merely rebelling against God make him evil? It seems like a big step from simply opposing ones master to becoming the embodiment of evil.

Was it really so wrong he rebelled against God?

Why did God not simply do away with him?

Logically if one wanted to get back at God one would try and disrupt his plan, not play along - the Devil comes off as God's servant still, dancing to God's plan - God said he was evil, so he was. God says he will lead people astray, so he does. God says that...

Surely he isn't stupid - I mean why not simply apologise to God and get saved? Or is it that God is cold enough to damn certain misguided without giving them a chance to repent? And why rebel at all? What possible purpose could it achieve (though there is something to be said for ruling in hell as opposed to serving in heaven.)

And so on and so on.


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Satan got a bad rap I think.

First - why did merely rebelling against God make him evil? It seems like a big step from simply opposing ones master to becoming the embodiment of evil.

Was it really so wrong he rebelled against God?

Why did God not simply do away with him?

Logically if one wanted to get back at God one would try and disrupt his plan, not play along - the Devil comes off as God's servant still, dancing to God's plan - God said he was evil, so he was. God says he will lead people astray, so he does. God says that...

Surely he isn't stupid - I mean why not simply apologise to God and get saved? Or is it that God is cold enough to damn certain misguided without giving them a chance to repent? And why rebel at all? What possible purpose could it achieve (though there is something to be said for ruling in hell as opposed to serving in heaven.)

And so on and so on.


LDS [Mormon] Scripture on the subject:

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Abraham 3:27-28

27 And the Lord said: Whom shall I send? And one answered like unto the Son of Man: Here am I, send me. And another answered and said: Here am I, send me. And the Lord said: I will send the first.
28 And the second was angry, and kept not his first estate; and, at that day, many followed after him.


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3 Wherefore, because that Satan rebelled against me, and sought to destroy the agency of man, which I, the Lord God, had given him, and also, that I should give unto him mine own power; by the power of mine Only Begotten, I caused that he should be cast down;
4 And he became Satan, yea, even the devil, the father of all lies, to deceive and to blind men, and to lead them captive at his will, even as many as would not hearken unto my voice.


Satan didn't just rebel, he is still rebelling. My personal opinion is that he wants to prove he was right, that he can lead man wherever he wants man to go. His sin, imo, isn't just rebelling against God, his sin is against us in his attempt to subvert our agency.

But then, these are LDS scriptures on the subject.


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He looks similar to this dude -> devil He enjoys trying men's souls,and sentencing them to eternal damnation when they fail miserly. He works for a guy named God. Some sort of partnership exist between them, since one was created by the other. He likes fire, brimstone, trident's, red capes, horseshoes, etc.... And apparently he tortures you horribly for following innate desires. On a personal note, I like him, he has a cool vibe.


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He looks similar to this dude -> devil He enjoys trying men's souls,and sentencing them to eternal damnation when they fail miserly. He works for a guy named God. Some sort of partnership exist between them, since one was created by the other. He likes fire, brimstone, trident's, red capes, horseshoes, etc.... And apparently he tortures you horribly for following innate desires. On a personal note, I like him, he has a cool vibe.

Too bad he doesn't like you. He's kind of a jerk once you've seen enough of him. Most of the time he does stuff behind your back without you knowing though.

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I view the devil as a cosmic principal that transcends religion.


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According to Christianity, then yes you are correct.

From a neutral perspective, Satan is just like Hades, Anubis, and Angra Mainu; The only difference is that he happens to be more popular, and today many people beleive in him...just like people back then beleived in the other "devils" of thier mythologies.

In a few centuries from now, "Satan" will most likely be considered Fiction by most societies, as may God sad


Actually, Satan and Hades are 2 different ball games: Satan is the punisher of souls and hates God as well as everything he created. Hades, on the other hand, is simply the overseer/supervisor of the dead. He's not evil, unlike The Prince of Darkness.

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Too bad he doesn't like you. He's kind of a jerk once you've seen enough of him. Most of the time he does stuff behind your back without you knowing though.


Sounds like my girlfriend. sad


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Satan didn't just rebel, he is still rebelling. My personal opinion is that he wants to prove he was right, that he can lead man wherever he wants man to go. His sin, imo, isn't just rebelling against God, his sin is against us in his attempt to subvert our agency.


Still seems like a big leap, just trying to subvert agency to becoming an embodiment of evil.

Why doesn't God simply give him a kew personality? Or show him some divine knowledge that proves him wrong?

If he is still rebelling why does God tolerate it? Especially if that rebellion is against "aganecy" which is significant?


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Actually, Satan and Hades are 2 different ball games: Satan is the punisher of souls and hates God as well as everything he created. Hades, on the other hand, is simply the overseer/supervisor of the dead. He's not evil, unlike The Prince of Darkness.

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Hades is actually evil, but he is not responsible for mankind's evil. He takes no credit for the immorals of human kind, while Satan gets blamed for every evil that mankind commits.

Such a cop out...Satan must be tired of getting blamed for every little immoral thing that occurs. If he's really intelligent enough to tap into our minds as such, then he must surely have something better to do than waste time on ONE underdeveloped world like Earth, and explore the rest of this intensely vast universe.

Why is he wasting time with losers like human beings ?


Hades screwed over Demeter when he lured Persephone into this dark kingdom, made her eat the fruit down there which would bind her to Tarturus, thereby forcing her to stay with him every Fall and Winter.

He also had done things to ruin Hercule's life.

He's a bad ass mofo !

Oh yeah...the fire and brimstone......Hades owned that first. Then Satan took that away when his mythology came into being.


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Hades was not an evil character, and was often described as just and fair.


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Hades was not an evil character, and was often described as just and fair.


I agree. But there was that time he acted naughty and kidnapped Persephone from Demeter. stick out tongue


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Stern, cruel and unpitying perhaps but not evil. Persephone did eventually come to love Hades.


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The devil is the apparent sum and source of all existing evil , a scapegoat if you wil for man to lump all of his faults on.

The devil could also be Lucifer , a fallen angel condemned by god for the sin of pride .

For the uneducated and ignorant the devil is god.....only bad.


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a very minipulative being that is an ass-hole and should mind its own self not influence others.

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a very minipulative being that is an ass-hole and should mind its own self not influence others.


Yes I agree....the concept of god is a disturbing one.


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