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Punkyhermy
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"...and would you WANT to see?"

"...If seeing meant that you would have to believe
In things like heaven and in jesus and the saints and all the prophets ?"

This is very interesting actually. Beneath the predictable and all too common pretext of mantras like "there is no scientific proof" of God's exsitence, lies I suspect, a strong conviction to NOT want to believe. Because a life lead without belief is admittedly on the surface a whole lot less restrictive.

Aug 24th, 2007 06:46 PM

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No, sometimes a reasonably objective analysis of data leads to what one believes.

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"...If seeing meant that you would have to believe
In things like heaven and in jesus and the saints and all the prophets ?"

This is very interesting actually. Beneath the predictable and all too common pretext of mantras like "there is no scientific proof" of God's exsitence, lies I suspect, a strong conviction to NOT want to believe. Because a life lead without belief is admittedly on the surface a whole lot less restrictive.

I don't agree, in my care. I believe in many things that make Christian mythology seem to be silly. Therefore it is not a case of disbelief, but one of belief. However, I think that I am not unique. Most people who do not believe in Christianity do so because they believe other things that are not compatible with Christian mythology and or dogma.

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"...If seeing meant that you would have to believe
In things like heaven and in jesus and the saints and all the prophets ?"

This is very interesting actually. Beneath the predictable and all too common pretext of mantras like "there is no scientific proof" of God's exsitence, lies I suspect, a strong conviction to NOT want to believe. Because a life lead without belief is admittedly on the surface a whole lot less restrictive.

When "belief" actually means ignorance, as is all to common these days, anythign goes.

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I don't agree, in my care. I believe in many things that make Christian mythology seem to be silly. Therefore it is not a case of disbelief, but one of belief. However, I think that I am not unique. Most people who do not believe in Christianity do so because they believe other things that are not compatible with Christian mythology and or dogma.

belief doesn't necessarily have to be christian.

Aug 24th, 2007 07:00 PM

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belief doesn't necessarily have to be christian.

True, however, my point still stands. If someone does not believe like you do, it is not necessarily because they disbelieve, but it is more likely because they believe contrary.

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I often wonder what would happen if God was one of us, you know, just a stranger on the bus or something.

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MY life is very restricted and having god in it wouldn't change much, I work until midnight 5-6 days a week, wake up at 8 and babysit my 3 year old twin sisters. Then I go to work and repeat the cycle.

People who don't believe in god aren't less restricted. Being an atheist doesn't automatically make you a party-goer, drug addict or thief. It just makes you more open minded, in a sense.

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for the record, did I underants your first post correctly and give an answer, or did I read something wrong, bc I feel like I did.

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No, sometimes a reasonably objective analysis of data leads to what one believes.

co-signed. Reason and belief don't always have to be at odds. Just usually.

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No, sometimes a reasonably objective analysis of data leads to what one believes.

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I often wonder what would happen if God was one of us, you know, just a stranger on the bus or something.

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I do not know what made God, but what if God was one of us? Just a slob like one of us? Just a stranger on the bus? Trying to make his way home? Posted 8/4/06

Get your own material, @sshole.

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co-signed. Reason and belief don't always have to be at odds. Just usually.

I'd say there's actually a positive correlation between the number of people believing one thing, and the amount of fact supporting it.

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Get your own material, @sshole.

Different thread. Whoever comes first....does something first. Not sure what. But something. I guess...to sum it up, screw you.

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I'd say there's actually a positive correlation between the number of people believing one thing, and the amount of fact supporting it.

W-well...someone's an optimist ...

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I'd say there's actually a positive correlation between the number of people believing one thing, and the amount of fact supporting it.

Not in all cases... sadly, more people believe in some form of Creation or other as compared to Evolution, then again, how reliable are polls.

Aug 24th, 2007 09:54 PM

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Different thread. Whoever comes first....does something first. Not sure what. But something. I guess...to sum it up, screw you.

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Aug 24th, 2007 09:55 PM

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Jusy spread your cheeks and take it like a man.

I think men usually don't "take it", maybe you mean women?

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I'd say there's actually a positive correlation between the number of people believing one thing, and the amount of fact supporting it.

I'd like to think you're right. It would be an interesting study to conduct, but one in which objectivity and credible accuracy would be nigh-impossible.

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Re: "...and would you WANT to see?"

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Originally posted by Punkyhermy

"...If seeing meant that you would have to believe
In things like heaven and in jesus and the saints and all the prophets ?"

This is very interesting actually. Beneath the predictable and all too common pretext of mantras like "there is no scientific proof" of God's exsitence, lies I suspect, a strong conviction to NOT want to believe. Because a life lead without belief is admittedly on the surface a whole lot less restrictive.

Jesus's works were taken from a different view. There are other views that state Heaven, Hell are internal, not eternal.