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i agree, though i'm not sure about the stronger. current sh is stronger than herc, isn't she? still, the difference probably isn't THAT big and her skill and speed advantages would make up the difference easily.
She-Hulk's at least twice as strong as the Thing, she maxed the strength gauging device Reed has Ben use...with one hand. So she would be stronger than Immortal Herc, were he immortal and were they to fight.
And recently She Hulk's fighting abilities went way up, she trained with Gamora and others to have a chance at fighting the Champion.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again, that comparing Marvel strength levels (for virtually all non-cosmic characters) against the major DC characters is not a prudent exercise.
For instance comparing She-Hulk vs WonderWoman.
WW could refuse to use her other powers (eg super-speed, flight, weaponry) and simply rely on strength and strength alone ...and there is nothing that the She-Hulk would be able to do.
You could even have the Thing and She-Hulk versus WW, and the result would be the same.
You could even have the Thing, She-Hulk, AND Colossus versus WonderWoman, and WW would still win (and win with abundant ease) .....and this is with her using strength only.
Why?
Because of the difference between Marvel strength stats and DC stats.
And WonderWoman is a person who not only LIFTS laden oil supertankers, but FLIES off with them.
She is also a character that helped Superman and Martian Manhunter MOVE the MOON.
And she is matched against She-Hulk?
TO explain further let me just copy and paste from another thread (this one dealing with Superman, WonderWoman, and the Martian Manhunter). Although it primarily dealt with Superman, it also delves into WonderWoman and Martian Manhunter (and anyways all 3 were pulling the moon together, and their strength levels are nigh analogous for the most part).
Compare the paste below with the strength levels for She-Hulk (and for that matter for the Thing and Colossus).
Basically your average (and above average) Marvel character simply doesn't have sufficient strength levels to even stand up against any of the upper echelon DC characters, and matching a character like She-Hulk against WonderWoman is a huge mismatch.
See below.
Enjoy:
Using Marvel's strength stats for DC characters is folly.
Take Superman ....you said he is 100+ (and I guess that is technically accurate, since he has over a 100T lifting capability). The thing is he can lift FAR more than this.
Take for example when Martian Manhunter, WonderWoman, and Superman moved the moon to fend off an attack by White Martians.
Now, the mass of the moon (in the real world note) is 74 quitillion tons (basically 7.4, followed by 19 zeroes, tons I.E 740,000,000,000,000,000,000 tons ).
Now, assume each was moving a third of that mass.
That is 24 quitillion tons EACH (240,000,000,000,000,000,000 tons EACH)!
I'd say that is quite different from Marvel's power system whereby the ability to lift even 80 tons is taken as a considerable feat (I actually laughed when some person said yesterday that the Martian Manhunter 'starts at 80 tons.' LOL. No he doesn't).
For example think of it this way.
The weight of an Abrams M1A2 MBT (main battle tank) is 68.7 tons.
68.7 tons.
This means that a character with a 100 ton lifting ability would NOT even be able to lift TWO Abrams tanks!!!!!!!!!
Now, take an oil tanker.
A fully laden oil tanker can have in excess of 300,000 tons.
How in goodness name is a 80 ton character supposed to even budge such a behemoth?
Note that the largest oil tanker, which is the Knock Nevis, weighing in at 647,955 tonnes fully laden would be TOTALLY out of the range of a 100 ton character.
Thus the whole 'Marvelize Superman' thing just wouldn't work.
Superman is not a male Rogue.
Superman is not a flying Colossus.
Superman is not a red-n-blue QuickSilver.
Thus he should be far stronger than Rogue.
Far more invulnerable than Colossus.
And far faster than QuickSilver.
Superman should never be at the level of Colossus. Ever. Not even near.
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Marvel characters are above the stats asscociated with them, (i.e. All Level 6 characters can alll lift way over 100 tons.), But few are lifting anywhere near the loads of DC top tiers.
IMO many of the marvel power houses are on the same level of Aquaman (I don't mean Thor and co, but the Thing, Sasquatch and Colossus).
Ultimate Colossus and Atlas are both considered two of marvles strongest at the moment, and yet thier feats seem almost standard when compared to DC's.
HMmm YeS THE WHOLE MOON FEAT I GUESS FLYING ABILITY HAD NOVING TO DO WITH IT, oh and in the avengers/jla series the uk had bios on some characters and MM can lift 100 tons, sure DC has more feats than marvelbutits quality of the feats not quantity.
Nobody does it better than BIG BLUE, thats y he is who he is till it comes it comes to a green rock then everything goes to hell///////////////////. See to some Supes is like the cool ass all varsity jock back in highschool who the girls loved, and teachers laughed wit, most of the guys envied him, and half of them kept it to themselves. well because u know he wont give u a swirly u take it out on him.
its just my way a lookin at it too!
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Question 1: Flying ability. Well, it had nothing to do with it. Why? Well, let's say instead of MArtian Manhunter, Superman and WonderWoman you had Rogue, Cannonball, and Sunfire. All 3 can FLY, but they would basically be worthless when it came to a task of that caliber.
Thus flying ability had nothing about moving something with the mass of the moon.
If it was all about 'flying ability' then any character that could fly would be able to replicate the feat.
Maybe you are taking the fact that the moon is 'in space' as being indicative of it being easy to move it. Actually the moon would still have its full mass in space (maybe the whole weight/mass dichotomy was the problem). The mass of the moon is still 74 quintillions.
Add to this the extra strength that was required to move the moon out of its orbit and bring it closer to earth, and THEN move it back away from earth and take it back to its orbit.
Truthfully speaking doing that (taking it out of its orbit, and then moving it back) would require far more strength that what was needed to move 74quintillion tons.
Three characters did that .....WonderWoman, Superman and Martian Manhunter.
And yet WonderWoman is put up against She Hulk!
Jeez!
That is even worse that putting QuickSilver vs the Flash (although in crossovers such lunacy happens, and for thatmatter QS was put up against the Flash, and WonderWoman against Storm ....in which Storm 'won.' Although it was due to fan voting it was still one of the most idiotic printings ever)
Question 2: Quality vs quantity of feats. That is so ludicrous I will not even bother answer it. Anyone who has read up on the various feats accomplished by ANY of the DC powerhouses (even Plastic Man) would concur.
When will people realize...moving a moon, dragging a planet like War World, doesn't count as a feat of strength.
I'm crazy? Listen.
The source of Superman's powers have often been discussed. There is enough to reason his power of flight, like most who don't use magic or technology, is psionics. It could never be super-leaps - that's what the Hulk does - because to stop and hold yourself in mid air is power from the mind. Flying with something heavy is letting the power from the mind take the will of the object. Even if one could physically push a moon or planet by strength, it would be impossible unless you were standing on an object of greater mass, to push off of ie. A Bigger Planet. The power that drives someone to fly through the air, is the same power used to move any object of huge mass. How much mass, depends on the willpower capability of the hero. If the Silver Surfer used the Power Cosmic to push a planet, no one would think it was a feat of strength. But it is the same principle: power from the mind, not muscle. This is something that applies to Supes, Wonder Woman, Martain Manhunter and others.
Back to this...I haven't seen She-Hulk since her strength and skill got a good upgrade, but I think Diana's speed on the ground could still give her an edge to win most matchups.
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I gotta agree with most of the above. WW is in the top tier of DC powerhouses, near-cosmic level strength. She-Hulk is not. I also don't see her fighting with such great skill; she seems to slug 'n' brawl most of the time. For that matter, so does WW, though now 'n' then she has used kicks.
There was a "theory" I had heard once. Something where Marvel heroes noticed that when they were in the DCU their power increased, and DC heroes noticed that when they were in the MU, their power levels decreased. If we went along those lines, then I could see WW and She-Hulk being very evenly matched.
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