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Qui Gon... Guilty!!!
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Mstr GEKA
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Qui Gon... Guilty!!!

Looking at the movies as a whole...

Dunno if this has been discussed already but.. IMO Qui Gon is responsible for all the trouble...

He is the one that rescued JAR JAR and we know what jar jar is responsible of both in and for the movie...

He also stood strong on the point that Anakin had to be trained... training that turned against the Jedi.

And who was Qui Gon's master??

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DeVi| D0do
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Dooku.

And you need to watch the movies again... Qui Gon was the only true Jedi. He went against the code because the code was stupid. The Jedi were their own undoing.


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Originally posted by DeVi| D0do
Dooku.

And you need to watch the movies again... Qui Gon was the only true Jedi. He went against the code because the code was stupid. The Jedi were their own undoing.


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Darth Subjekt
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Had Qui Gon lived, he would have trained Anakin right WITH the respect he deserved hence Anakin remaining the most powerful JEDI in the galaxy. Think about it, he was the first one to discover becoming one with the force and appearing as a ghost, although we didnt get the chance to see it sad.


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Think about it, he was the first one to discover becoming one with the force and appearing as a ghost, although we didnt get the chance to see it sad.

Even mentioning his name in Episode 3 was so stupid, IMO. If they had continued from that with actually seeing his ghost, maybe it could have worked. But just mentioning his name the way they did was just awful.


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Re: Qui Gon... Guilty!!!

quote: (post)
Originally posted by Mstr GEKA
Looking at the movies as a whole...

Dunno if this has been discussed already but.. IMO Qui Gon is responsible for all the trouble...

He is the one that rescued JAR JAR and we know what jar jar is responsible of both in and for the movie...

He also stood strong on the point that Anakin had to be trained... training that turned against the Jedi.

And who was Qui Gon's master??



OMG!! Of course!!! He was the one who brought Jar Jar! And Jar Jar was the one who made sure Palpatine got da power! Therefor Qui Gon should be sued and arrested!!! He was Sifo Dyas and a dark jedi like his mentor!

But then again if we go with this logic. It was Qui who picked up Anakin and it was Anakin who murdered the emperor so therefor Qui-Gon is redeemed!


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ArthasKnight
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The real culprit behind the disasters and tragedies in the PT was Sidious. Everything was perfectly orchestrated to give him control of the galaxy. He is the one who sent Darth Maul after the Jedi and he is responsible for the death of the only Jedi who could have trained Anakin properly. Qui-Gon is not to blame for thinking out of the box.


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Tough call, but i think this has been thought about by everyone


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Ushgarak
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What on Earth makes anyone think the Code is stupid? No it isn't!

There is no 'one true Jedi' vibe about Qui-Gon, he just had a different approach.


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Sesse
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The code worked just fine.

But our little Anakin went against it in pretty much every way possible.

He had attachments as well as biased attitudes. Only mistake the jedi ever did was to accept Anakin to be trained.

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overlord
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I agree, they just shouldn't have gone against the rule of age necessary to train a padawan.


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Yes.... (I didnt bother reading the last posts! lol)


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Qui Gon was only following the prophecy and guess what he was right the whole time


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Only mistake the jedi ever did was to accept Anakin to be trained.


yeah, but the problem with that is that palps would've still found a way to come to power, and then we'd be short one chosen one.

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its hinted...well stated many times that the will of the force guides one's destiny. it was that will that drew the jedi to mos espa.
it was destiny.

i mean, by you're logic we should blame dooku, since he trained quigon, not to mention that he prompted anakin to seek revenge on him, accelerating his turn to the darkside...but then yoda trained dooku, ...so its HIS fault. and what of shmi who just HAD to pick mushrooms when there were sand people about...which of coarse began anakins fall by seeing her die...so its SHMI'S FAULT.

its a pointless debate

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yeah, but the problem with that is that palps would've still found a way to come to power, and then we'd be short one chosen one.


That's not the point. It was too big a risk to train a boy that age, and apperantly the rules were correct.


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quote: (post)
Originally posted by DeVi| D0do
Dooku.

And you need to watch the movies again... Qui Gon was the only true Jedi. He went against the code because the code was stupid. The Jedi were their own undoing.


i agree


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some will argue that, but i agree fully.

bail tells the jedi that leia will be loved thus having attachment and obiwan nods with approval.

yoda decides that luke will be sent to tattooine, to live with his family...

according to the code, thats the absolute wrong thing to do. according to the code it would have made far more sense for the twins to not have attachment and be raised by either yoda or obiwan and trained asap.

which leads to the next breaking of the jedi code: training an adult

obviously, yoda felt the code needed revision

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Palps couldnt have come to power without Anakin. He needed someone to be his fist, somewhone with incredible powers and public support. What better than a poster boy war hero?

I agree that the jedi code should be more flexible, but that doesn't make Qui-Gon the "only true jedi"

Qui-Gon was just a tool of the force. The force wanted to balance itself...it chose Anakin. Qui-Gon was merely the tool to bring Anakin to power.


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Anakin bought fulfilled the prophecy of the one and restored balance to the force it the end so Qui Gon didn't do bad he did good, and it isn't his fault that Anakin turned bad.


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