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Avlon
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Phoenix vs Unicron (Full power)

Those who have read the original transformers comics are well aware how powerful OG unicron is.

Can phoenix overcome him?

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Come on avvy you very well know she can. Or at least i hope you do.


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Small unicron (comic) bio.

Comic Bio (US):
Unicron was a "fallen god" possessed of "power beyond measure," whose main drive was his near-insatiable hunger. Feeding on entire star systems, he continued his task unhindered until he eventually succeeded in devouring the entire universe. At this point, he fell into a sleep, his hunger finally appeased.


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Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Small unicron (comic) bio.

Comic Bio (US):
Unicron was a "fallen god" possessed of "power beyond measure," whose main drive was his near-insatiable hunger. Feeding on entire star systems, he continued his task unhindered until he eventually succeeded in devouring the entire universe. At this point, he fell into a sleep, his hunger finally appeased.


Well that quote saya it all. Phoenix as you should know by now avvy is the primal force of creation. A universe devouring entity is not on her level. Especially when she holds universe in her hand as if theyre nothing.


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Come on avvy you very well know she can. Or at least i hope you do.


Double post..check next quote.

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Well that quote saya it all. Phoenix as you should know by now avvy is the primal force of creation. A universe devouring entity is not on her level. Especially when she holds universe in her hand as if theyre nothing.


I've seen the pic, was she really holding all of creation in her hand?

I mean devouring everything including, space, time, other gods...everything...except yourself in a void..thats pretty impressive as well.

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I've seen the pic, was she really holding all of creation in her hand?

I mean devouring everything including, space, time, other gods...everything...except yourself in a void..thats pretty impressive as well.


You do realise phoenix is the primal force of creation that made the nultiverse dont you? Phoenix is way too much for unicron. In that pic you saw she was holding a universe in her hand and was telekinetically restructuring its matter and its timeline to get rid of a terrible future. Feats like that are way beyond eating a universe. Galactus when his hunger has gotten out of control has apparently eaten a universe


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You do realise phoenix is the primal force of creation that made the nultiverse dont you? Phoenix is way too much for unicron. In that pic you saw she was holding a universe in her hand and was telekinetically restructuring its matter and its timeline to get rid of a terrible future. Feats like that are way beyond eating a universe. Galactus when his hunger has gotten out of control has apparently eaten a universe


So phoenix is god?

You realize that OG Unicron destroyed everything else, time, space, other gods, and the creation of the multiverse was basically a result of a burp? It wasnt "just a universe"

Transformers issue #61

I'm not talking that pathetic robot from the movie.

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So phoenix is god?

You realize that OG Unicron destroyed everything else, time, space, other gods, and the creation of the multiverse was basically a result of a burp? It wasnt "just a universe"

Transformers issue #61

I'm not talking that pathetic robot from the movie.


A burp from unicron? lol

Phoenix is second only to TOOA. Jean has reached telekinetic godhood which means her consciousness permeates matter, all of time/space all realities. She has telekinetic control of all that is down to a molecular level. A universe eater is no match for the primal force of creation.


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I think in the the transfomer comics isn't Unicron more like the prime force of destruction. Not sur but I think that is right.


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A burp from unicron? lol

Phoenix is second only to TOOA. Jean has reached telekinetic godhood which means her consciousness permeates matter, all of time/space all realities. She has telekinetic control of all that is down to a molecular level. A universe eater is no match for the primal force of creation.


Yup..don't kill the messenger..I didnt write this story..lol

Unicron destroyed everything...all reality. Not simply a universe. The few remaining gasses became the presence and created the new multiverse as well as primus...but it couldnt do a damn thing to stop Unicron..it feared him.

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I think in the the transfomer comics isn't Unicron more like the prime force of destruction. Not sur but I think that is right.


Thats just an assumption, a guess thats not his stated universal role


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I think in the the transfomer comics isn't Unicron more like the prime force of destruction. Not sur but I think that is right.


He was the god of destruction, and the only thing left after he destroyed everything, including time and space was him and the void(nothingness.)

The robotic version that came later was severely powered down. Phoenix would laugh at that one.

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Actually I think it is his role to destroy everything. I think that him and his brother Primus(who I think is the guardian of creation) exist on two planes. One is the physical plane where they are the giant robots. They also live in realm where they are basically abstracts kinda. Yep but Unicron destroyed the orginal creation and then slept because it fulfilled it's role. When Unicron Awoke it saw that a new creation was made it he was really mad and had it not been for Primus would have destroyed this one as well.


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The power to create is far greater than the power to destroy. Creating existence all of the abstracts is a greater feat than destroying the multiverse


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Yes but in the transormer universe they are seen as equals pretty much.
Because they are seen as the highest point of opposites. You know Unicron is the highest form of destruction and Primus is the highest form of creation so they are equal. So by that logic basically phoenix would be Primus so they would be equals.


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The power to create is far greater than the power to destroy. Creating existence all of the abstracts is a greater feat than destroying the multiverse


We don't know if Unicron could have done the same simply for the fact that he wouldnt. He wanted to be the only thing, and he basically succeeded.

Still, what good is the creation of abstracts and all, when you are against a being who could destroy everything you create including you?

By the way Galactic...are you reffering to Jean or to the actual phoenix force itself?

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We don't know if Unicron could have done the same simply for the fact that he wouldnt. He wanted to be the only thing, and he basically succeeded.

Still, what good is the creation of abstracts and all, when you are against a being who could destroy everything you create including you?

By the way Galactic...are you reffering to Jean or to the actual phoenix force itself?


Theyre one and the same so it doesnt actually matter. The separate fire bird is just a manifestation of jeans powers its not a separate entity.


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Unicron is a suped up Galactus. . .

Phoenix has this.


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Theyre one and the same so it doesnt actually matter. The separate fire bird is just a manifestation of jeans powers its not a separate entity.


Reason I'm asking is because Jean manifested the powers at some point..she didnt always have them, correct?

If so, Unicron can kill her easily at any point in time at will. Now the manifestation is a different story.

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