Hard to swallow when you compare the people Wolverine can hurt with one hit and the damage he soaks up from more powerful people than Cap, and then you compare their roughly equal fighting skills.
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I have every appearance of Wolverine you clown shoe. My copy is sitting 5 feet away from me right now in a long box.
Which is where I assume you get the whole taser idea from. Unfortunately for you in these forums 616 Wolverine operates at peak ability and peak ability for Wolverine means lightning bolts can't even phase him. Considering Spider-Woman's Venom Blast packs about 1/10 the power of a real lightning bolt this would not even remotely harm or slow down Wolverine in any way. There goes your worthless taser theory.
If you had read the issue you would know that Wolverine was already in bad shape. He had been in a plane crash and been fighting a small army of mutates for 6 hours before he ever came into contact with Jess and Luke. And if Wolverine had been there to kill her she would have been dead. He had plenty of time to just kill her. And as I've said before he wasn't even bothered by getting stabbed in the neck. He promptly throws her off and would have killed her if not for Cage's interference. And if you had read Bendis' interview you would know the only reason he did this was to pump up Jess since she's his new favorite. An accurate example of them fighting is in House of M where he KOs her with one elbow to the face when she has a gun on him.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! LOL!!! You do realize that Jessica has SUPER strength dont you? She can lift over 7 tons. Ultimate Cap's super soldier enhanced strength is at best only equal to 616 Wolverine's enhanced mutant strength. Jess is more than 3 times stronger than either of them. She also has SUPER speed, which explains how she could do anything to Wolverine in the first place. Cap has neither her strength, speed, or her enhanced hearing meaning he is incapable of doing to Wolverine what she could only do with writer's favoritism.
No, my real problem is that you wrote a horrible biased account of the battle in which Wolverine fought like my crippled 97 year old great grandfather instead of one of the worlds's greatest hand to hand fighters.
super soldiers are weak dude. No stronger than Wolverine kicking himself. He takes a double handed sledge to the face from Hulk using a Redwood tree and that never slowed him down.
He's taken a stealth bomber at full speed to the face and not been hurt.
electrocutes himself to hurt other people. Takes lighting bolts no problem...
Fights entire N'Garai nation with his guts hanging out no prob.
Heals from Nuke blowing him up to adamantium in 2 pages...
All of this piled one after another might hurt him, but it would never get to that. Cap's momentumn would have been halted after the first or second move and Wolverine would have counter attacked. And most of the set-ups for the big damage would definitely not have hurt him. Kick to gut, throat shot, taser? Those 3 attacks Wolverine could easily just plow straight through without even worrying about.
If you believe Cap could do all that crap to Wolverine without getting evicerated than you are clearly more delusional than I could ever hope to be.
And I could and have posted examples of when similar, but more powerful attacks have not hurt him even slightly.
SIGHHHHHHH...
First of all your research sucks. Wolverine fought DD in Wolverine # 24. Second you are blatantly lying your @ss off. DD only landed a double kick to Wolverine when Wolverine was evading sniper fire from Elektra. The kick did not stun him in any way shape or form. He got kicked into a wall and he got right back out. Stunned? NO.
Oh really? And how the hell was Wolverine stunned? Was he knocked out? No. Was he lying on his back moaning? No. He was thrown off balance while hit from behind in the back of the head. Cap threw off his jump, that's it. Wow, you proved Cap can cheap shot someone. Good job. Stunned? NO.
I've already schooled you about Spider-Woman so I'll move on to Wasp.
In Secret Wars Wasp never used her bio blast on Wolverine. Try reading the book and actually looking at the illustrations next time champ. Wasp kicks Wolverine who trips over Colossus. Wasp only uses her sting on Storm and Prof. X. And considering they were back on their feet in about 2 panels it wouldn't have done squat to Wolverine if she had used it. This was also Secxret Wars, where the X-Men were made to look VERY inexperienced and their ability was downplayed tremendously.
X-Men Vol. 2 # 62: Wolverine sustains a concentrated constant lightning strike from Storm. Wolverine assures her he wont kill Shang-Chi and she stops the lightning. Wolverine is fine afterwards.
Wolverine Vol. 2 # 14: Wolverine punctures an airplane's control panel and electrocutes himself and then shares the charge with a Vampire that was super charged by a cosmic level item into a being with massive regeneration and super human durability. The electric charge momentarily KOs the beast, but Wolverien is completely uneffected by being electrocuted.
I dont give two craps how Deadpool handles grenade blasts.Wolverine has a lot of healing feats that blow away Deadpool;s and you never know what is actually DP's healing and what is his immortality, so he is a bad example.
As for the grenade doing any lasting damage, that is not a safe bet either. Wolverine routinely takes point blank 100% power blasts from Cyclops to the gut. (Astonishing X-Men # 1) Cyclops can punch holes in mountains with his optic blast, which is thousands of times more destructive than any hand grenade. Wolverine takes that, plus a 3 story fall and flips back to his feet cracking jokes. In Secret War # 5 Wolverine's heart is exploded in his chest and he's back on his feet, perfectly fine by the next page. Grenade wont stop him. Slow him down maybe, but not enough for Cap to win the fight.
Actually I have provided an example for each of my rebuttles. Look above and be educated.
And I wonder why that is? This forum is horribly biased against Wolverine and in many cases vote against him even when they know he should win just to spite other Wolverine posters. They and you dont use common sense. Common Sense says Cap can't hurt Wolverine and Wolverine can kill Cap by landing a single trike. That means Wolverine takes the overwealming majority in a straight up fight: 8/10.
There is only one way Ultimate Cap could pull a 50/50 fight against 616 Wolverine:
Wolverine has no healing factor.
Wolverien has no adamantium skeleton.
Wolverine can't use his claws.
Now Cap can get 5/10 agaisnt Wolverine. Now he can hurt Wolverine and Wolverine can't kill him with a single strike. But 616 Wolverine's higher fighting ability rating (7 to Ult. Cap's 6) levels the playing field. Physically their strength and speed should be about equal.
I don't think the Spider-Woman/Wolverine incident should be taken into account. The writer of that issue admitted in an interview that the point of that owning was to make Spider-Woman more badass after being in limbo for a long time.
He's shown several times to be able to stand up to a full force lightning bolt no problem you chuckling fool. Go read a damn comic and stop giggling over established facts....
Like Wolverine cutting Thing wide open!!!
And as such a measly taser will do nothing to him. Just look at House of M the Day After 1 shot. An FOH member hits Wolverine with an ENHANCED taser. Wolverine gets hit, takes the time to cut down a crucified burning mutant while being electrocuted and then knocks the fool out.
It's from House of M: THE DAY AFTER. If you had actually bothered to read the book you would know it takes place AFTER HOM, hence the subtitle "THE DAY AFTER". It's in continuity big guy.
When I saw this forum the first thing that came to my mind was
Fanboy War!!!!
That being said, I have to tell you something.
riceroost-Ult. Cap actually has Spiderman level strength. Doesn't matter much to Wolverine when he has his healing faactor, is fighting to win, and Cap being not as fast as Spidey, but just to let you know.
OneDumbG0-you are referencing Deadpool being 'effed up by a grenade, but you forget that he doesn't have the luxury of an adamantium skeleton holding together his body and the protection (however small) it grants to Wolverine's organs.
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As a huge Ult Cap fan with most of his comics, and his respect thread on Comicvine I am on the fence as far who could win. Ultimate Cap can indeed win. He is as skilled, stronger, as fast, more durable, and has less morals. He also regularly uses guns and grenades with his shield.
Plus he has a 2-0 record against Ultimate Wolverine who is by feats as impressive as 616, only with better high end healing feats.
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Yes Cap can win there's no doubt about it. But as skilled as mainstream Wolverine, let alone mainstream Cap, I doubt it. I see Ult Cap in the Us Agent skill level. A well trained martial artist, but not something too spectacular. I haven't seen much skill feats from him.
And Ult. Wolvie, except healing, in which Ult is superior, and pain tolerance, about equal, I beleive that in durability, damage soak, damage output, skill, speed, senses, I beleive 616 Wolverine vastly outclasses his Ult counterpart
We never got a statement of his strength level. What we do have is feats of tanking 100+ toner hits consistently with little to no damage for durability. We also have feats that show consistently in the 5 ton range. He also has many consistent feats of seriously harming 100+ toners with strikes too. He raw strength wise matches Ultimate Spider Man in lock up. Also his bio shows his strength as a 4 in power rating. Meaning he is in the same power rating range of 616 Spider Man or 616 Green Goblin. He was meant to be pretty tough like WW2 era Cap.
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Feats-wise, I didn't know we were talking about Ultimate Spider-Man. 616 Spider-Man-wise, I didn't know we were talking about bios. I'm a bit confused.
My mistake, there are certain heroes that I always default to the classic versions for, as opposed to current versions as the forum rules stipulate. 616 Spider-Man can basically be described the same as you have described Cap, except you'd have to notch up all the numbers rather significantly.
If your confused on versions, then know this about Ultimate Marvel characters. They exist in a different Universe and have different lives than 616. Ultimate Cap is rather different than 616 Cap in many ways. Including stats. Also unlike 616 Cap ultimate Cap carries guns and grenades a lot into fights.
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