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Avlon
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Originally posted by Creshosk
Unicron is a suped up Galactus. . .

Phoenix has this.


And what could phoenix possibly do to beat Uni?

Have you read the rest of the forum?

Anyway....Galac...I hope you are enjoying this as much as I am... you probably never expected old tinhead to be so powerful...lol

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Reason I'm asking is because Jean manifested the powers at some point..she didnt always have them, correct?

If so, Unicron can kill her easily at any point in time at will. Now the manifestation is a different story.


Jeans always been phoenix. Its part of her genetic makeup that she can tap into the primal force of creation. Through phoenix the ultimate mutation she has become one with all that is.


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A burp from unicron? lol

Phoenix is second only to TOOA. Jean has reached telekinetic godhood which means her consciousness permeates matter, all of time/space all realities. She has telekinetic control of all that is down to a molecular level. A universe eater is no match for the primal force of creation.



Ok now this is going a wee bit too far...... Galactic storm i have accepted your love of phoenix but this is pushing it , your acting like a fanboy now . I shall change my mind if you show me some damn proof that says she is the second most powerful being in all of existence

(And no holding the universe in ones hands does not count , hell i expect galactus could do that if he honestly wanted to ).


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Ok now this is going a wee bit too far...... Galactic storm i have accepted your love of phoenix but this is pushing it , your acting like a fanboy now . I shall change my mind if you show me some damn proof that says she is the second most powerful being in all of existence

(And no holding the universe in ones hands does not count , hell i expect galactus could do that if he honestly wanted to ).


Uncanny Xmen 137 ok?

Plus Xmen Forever 1, 3 and 6 talks of how phoenix is the ultimate mutation that all humanity will eventually mutate into at which point humanity will become greater than all of the abstracts LT included. There ya go GF


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Unicron has been shown to have destroyed everything else outside of himself. Thats a impressive feat any way u slice it.


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You not gonna take that back grey fox? Acting like a fanboy am i? Im just stating the facts. So you being ignorant on the subject assumed me of being a fanboy. Thats not very nice lol


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Unicron has been shown to have destroyed everything else outside of himself. Thats a impressive feat any way u slice it.


Yeah it is impressive. A good thread might be Unicron Vs Anti-Monitor. Just a suggestion.


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You not gonna take that back grey fox? Acting like a fanboy am i? Im just stating the facts. So you being ignorant on the subject assumed me of being a fanboy. Thats not very nice lol


Hey hey hey slow down there i accept that info ok , just because it takes me a while to reply doesn't mean i was ignoring you i was just posting a new thread that also shows why dbz CAN be used on this forum.

and yes i do Now take back what i said. eek!


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Yeah it is impressive. A good thread might be Unicron Vs Anti-Monitor. Just a suggestion.


Good suggestion. I wish I knew more of anti monitor.

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Good suggestion. I wish I knew more of anti monitor.


Here ya go big grin

One-time ruler of the anti-matter universe, the Anti-Monitor initiated the Crisis, attempting to destroy the positive-matter universe(s) and expand his own. The villain most responsible for Barry Allen’s death, he was ultimately killed in a pitched battle on the anti-matter world of Qward.

Detailed History
Ten billion years ago, on the planet Oa, the scientist Krona attempted to view the origin of the universe. In doing so he altered creation, and the universe was split into a multiverse. A second consequence was the creation of a parallel anti-matter universe, and the release of its evil into the positive-matter universe.

On the moons of Oa and its anti-matter counterpart, Qward, the Monitor and Anti-Monitor came into being. The first simply observed, while the other conquered, creating the Weaponers of Qward and transforming the greatest of them into shadow demons. Eventually, the Anti-Monitor learned of his counterpart’s existence and attacked. The war lasted millions of years, ending in a stalemate with both beings left in stasis for more than nine billion years.

Finally, on one Earth, another scientist repeated Krona’s mistake. Using an anti-matter chamber to protect himself, he probed the multiverse’s origins...and awakened the Monitor and Anti-Monitor. The Anti-Monitor manipulated the scientist’s chamber, unleashing a wave of anti-matter that destroyed his universe and funneled its energy to the Anti-Monitor.

Crisis
The Anti-Monitor began systematically destroying universes, absorbing them into the anti-matter universe and taking their power for his own. The Monitor began gathering allies, preparing for a final stand. As the campaign closed in on the last few universes, the Monitor attempted to stabilize them and recruited the heroes of five Earths.

Two acts early in this phase proved critical to the Crisis’ outcome. First, the Anti-Monitor corrupted the Monitor’s most trusted agent, Harbinger. Under her enemy’s influence, she killed her master. Second, he captured the Flash (Barry Allen) because of his ability to travel between dimensions. The Flash sat out most of the crisis in captivity on Qward, but scored a critical victory when he escaped.

In death, the Monitor’s own energies protected the last surviving universes. His sacrifice kept them alive long enough for the Earths’ heroes to confront the Anti-Monitor on Qward, where he was nearly killed by Earth-1’s Supergirl. Frustrated, the Anti-Monitor prepared an antimatter cannon to destroy the remaining worlds. As it neared completion, the Flash broke his bonds and destroyed the cannon, forcing the Anti-Monitor to try yet another tactic.

Unable to destroy the last five universes, the Anti-Monitor absorbed the energy of millions of worlds in his own universe, then traveled to the dawn of time. He planned to alter creation itself—using the energies of the heroes he knew would pursue him—such that only the antimatter universe would exist. Instead, he battled the Spectre, and while creation was changed, the result was a single positive-matter universe and a parallel anti-matter universe.

Aftermath
While most people in the new universe had no memory of the preceding events, those who had been at the dawn of time did remember. The Anti-Monitor remembered it all. Furious that one planet could defy him when thousands of universes had fallen, he pulled Earth into the antimatter universe, sending his shadow demons to destroy everything. A coalition of heroes—including a few survivors from worlds that no longer existed—took the battle to Qward once again and created a rift to send Earth back to the positive-matter universe. After repeated attacks, the Anti-Monitor was finally killed by the Superman of Earth-2


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Here ya go big grin

One-time ruler of the anti-matter universe, the Anti-Monitor initiated the Crisis, attempting to destroy the positive-matter universe(s) and expand his own. The villain most responsible for Barry Allen’s death, he was ultimately killed in a pitched battle on the anti-matter world of Qward.

Detailed History
Ten billion years ago, on the planet Oa, the scientist Krona attempted to view the origin of the universe. In doing so he altered creation, and the universe was split into a multiverse. A second consequence was the creation of a parallel anti-matter universe, and the release of its evil into the positive-matter universe.

On the moons of Oa and its anti-matter counterpart, Qward, the Monitor and Anti-Monitor came into being. The first simply observed, while the other conquered, creating the Weaponers of Qward and transforming the greatest of them into shadow demons. Eventually, the Anti-Monitor learned of his counterpart’s existence and attacked. The war lasted millions of years, ending in a stalemate with both beings left in stasis for more than nine billion years.

Finally, on one Earth, another scientist repeated Krona’s mistake. Using an anti-matter chamber to protect himself, he probed the multiverse’s origins...and awakened the Monitor and Anti-Monitor. The Anti-Monitor manipulated the scientist’s chamber, unleashing a wave of anti-matter that destroyed his universe and funneled its energy to the Anti-Monitor.

Crisis
The Anti-Monitor began systematically destroying universes, absorbing them into the anti-matter universe and taking their power for his own. The Monitor began gathering allies, preparing for a final stand. As the campaign closed in on the last few universes, the Monitor attempted to stabilize them and recruited the heroes of five Earths.

Two acts early in this phase proved critical to the Crisis’ outcome. First, the Anti-Monitor corrupted the Monitor’s most trusted agent, Harbinger. Under her enemy’s influence, she killed her master. Second, he captured the Flash (Barry Allen) because of his ability to travel between dimensions. The Flash sat out most of the crisis in captivity on Qward, but scored a critical victory when he escaped.

In death, the Monitor’s own energies protected the last surviving universes. His sacrifice kept them alive long enough for the Earths’ heroes to confront the Anti-Monitor on Qward, where he was nearly killed by Earth-1’s Supergirl. Frustrated, the Anti-Monitor prepared an antimatter cannon to destroy the remaining worlds. As it neared completion, the Flash broke his bonds and destroyed the cannon, forcing the Anti-Monitor to try yet another tactic.

Unable to destroy the last five universes, the Anti-Monitor absorbed the energy of millions of worlds in his own universe, then traveled to the dawn of time. He planned to alter creation itself—using the energies of the heroes he knew would pursue him—such that only the antimatter universe would exist. Instead, he battled the Spectre, and while creation was changed, the result was a single positive-matter universe and a parallel anti-matter universe.

Aftermath
While most people in the new universe had no memory of the preceding events, those who had been at the dawn of time did remember. The Anti-Monitor remembered it all. Furious that one planet could defy him when thousands of universes had fallen, he pulled Earth into the antimatter universe, sending his shadow demons to destroy everything. A coalition of heroes—including a few survivors from worlds that no longer existed—took the battle to Qward once again and created a rift to send Earth back to the positive-matter universe. After repeated attacks, the Anti-Monitor was finally killed by the Superman of Earth-2


Great Story. Eventually, I 'll have to collect crisis myself. Good stuff Grey Fox.
With unicron, since I read all of the original comics (except that damn #3 with spidey vs Megatron) im confident enough to argue his position.

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What are you talking Galactic Phoenix vs. Unicron is a perfect match.
Unicron is the Primal force of destruction and phoenix is the primal force of creation. This would be a massive battle.


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What are you talking Galactic Phoenix vs. Unicron is a perfect match.
Unicron is the Primal force of destruction and phoenix is the primal force of creation. This would be a massive battle.


This thread is winding down thats why i made the suggestion.


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I see and what has been the general consensus


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What are you talking Galactic Phoenix vs. Unicron is a perfect match.
Unicron is the Primal force of destruction and phoenix is the primal force of creation. This would be a massive battle.
As the name phoenix implies, not only is this primal force a force of creation but also of destruction.

Hey GS? What happened after this again:

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Probably Pheonix cause Omega Supreme beat up Unicron on his own once upon a time.


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Yes but she acts as the Primal force of creation but can destroy as well Unicron could possibly do the same thing but it is not who he is.
You see before this creation there was another that Unicron completely destroyed. After he did this with nothing else to destroy he slumbered or went dormant his task for filled. although a few molecules escaped him this would become the building blocks for this new creation. Now this time creation has a guardian Primus who would equal phoenix. Unicron wakes up once he realizes that a creation has been made. He is furious and sets out to destroy it. Primus fights him and though he defeats Unicron he is killed in the process. Unicron is unable to continue after his victory but still lives. Primus places all the power of creation into one object incase Unicron returns. This becomes the transformer Matrix and it is the only thing Unicron fears. He fears it because it is the only thing that can hurt him.


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They went back to earth and things carried on as normal for a while. But Jean had a constant urge to unleash her power, her role as an xman wasnt enough. She'd fly into space at night when the xmen were asleep and she'd destroy meteors just as a release. On one of these night trips she gave into her hunger for power and ate a star again. The solar system around it was unnhabited but this showed she was starting to give in to her dark side. When Jean got back to earth she was met by Kitty outside the mansion who said that she knew what Jean had been up to and that she needed help. She said that the xmen would not let her carry on like that. This angered Jean and she incinerated Kitty into a pile of ashes. She went on to destroy the rest of the Xmen and the whole planet before leaving for space. The last panel said that her power consumed the universe


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The power to create is far greater than the power to destroy. Creating existence all of the abstracts is a greater feat than destroying the multiverse

not realy thats like saying heads is more powerful then tails. they both are two sides of the same thing.

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Yes but she acts as the Primal force of creation but can destroy as well Unicron could possibly do the same thing but it is not who he is.
You see before this creation there was another that Unicron completely destroyed. After he did this with nothing else to destroy he slumbered or went dormant his task for filled. although a few molecules escaped him this would become the building blocks for this new creation. Now this time creation has a guardian Primus who would equal phoenix. Unicron wakes up once he realizes that a creation has been made. He is furious and sets out to destroy it. Primus fights him and though he defeats Unicron he is killed in the process. Unicron is unable to continue after his victory but still lives. Primus places all the power of creation into one object incase Unicron returns. This becomes the transformer Matrix and it is the only thing Unicron fears. He fears it because it is the only thing that can hurt him.
The power of creation can hurt him?


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