And I do think that brain chemistry could alter political views. I never said that one view made a person more mentally fit than another. Unless I see actual proof, I won't believe it, but there could be truth in what the fellow was saying.
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I have a question: on what do you base your claims that it is "junk science"?
Your years of studying neuroscience? Your time spent learning the hormones and neurotransmitters produced by the body and how they affect the mind? You research on mental disorders--the symptoms, treatments, and what causes them--that allowed you to make this deduction?
Or is it just that it was on FOX?
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its a little thing we simple lay people call "common sense"
and im sure if NPR ran an ad stating that conservatives were all mildly retarded based on the studies of one person, you would be equally accepting of any possibility
anything to defend fox, right fece? anything at all
and im sure your WHOLE YEAR of casual study of the basics of the human mind make you an expert although people dedicate their lives to studying the mind, and find it to be one of the most complicated things known and all admit to truly knowing little about it.
but you go on thinking your an expert, and go on lying about believeing something when you know damn well that you dont. when you have to lie to yourself to support a news organisation, its time to question just why you're doing so.
what, you want me to prove this guy wrong? fine, first you prove nietzsche wrong.
Being mildly retarded is something completely different from having different brain chemistry. Being retarded is, well, obvious, even in the "mild" sense. It is observable in behavior and actions, the slight nuances of everyday things. Brain chemistry is not.
When did I say that I believed this study? All I said was that it had some merit, that there could be some truth to it. I never said I bought it--in fact, I have stated TWICE that I do not believe it.
You're right, my casual study of psychology doesn't make me an expert. However, it does give me an edge that you lack: the ability to know what the hell I'm talking about.
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and yet you fail to bring evidence to the table, but would rather wave your whole year of casual reading around like an extention of your intellectual penis. well it proves nothing and i'm not impressed. you are not an expert nor a moderate expert nor anything more than me on this topic.
common sense: different people feel that one of two similar yet differing paths toward an ideal democracy is a better one. but no, somehow they must have a different brain chemisty, because how else could they possibly think different than YOU!>!?!?! must be fanatical and delusional to do so.
well here's my evidence: i have 'liberal' (whatever the f*** that really means anymore) views on how our government should be conducted, yet i have rather realistic dreams, although certain scenarios tend to be a bit warped. but for the most part, in my dreams i'm simply living a mildly warped and altered version of my real life. no flying around, no monsters, no lions and tigers and bears oh my!!! so i guess i'm just a fluke? or perhaps a closet conservative? personal observation my good man, a perspective from the inside, which you dont have. so who's view is more credible on this topic? hmmmmmm.
its just another attempt to drive yet another wedge between people who follow their political views and those who dont. next week it will be a story about how liberals bleed green blood and feed on the flesh of children.
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And yet YOU fail to bring evidence to the table on why this is 'junk science'.
You continue to ignore the fact that I have repeatedly say that I DO NOT BELIEVE THIS TO BE TRUE. All I have said is that there is a possibility that brain chemistry could have an influence on one's political views. I never said that, if this were true, liberals had some form of mental defect that changed their views. Never.
Can you get that through your head? Let me repeat it once more, since you seem to be having so much trouble:
I do not believe that brain chemistry alters political views. However, I believe the idea could have SOME truth to it. That brain chemistry could alter/influence political views, NOT that political views are a sign of mental defect.
Since third time is apparently not the charm in this thread, allow me to repeat myself once again:
I do not believe that brain chemistry alters political views. However, I believe the idea could have SOME truth to it. That brain chemistry could alter/influence political views, NOT that political views are a sign of mental defect.
Got it?
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I do not believe that brain chemistry alters political views. However, I believe the idea could have SOME truth to it.
no matter how many times you throw in "could" and "some" and "maybe" and "just a tad" and "an itsy bitsy teeny weeny chance" you are accepting possability, so how can you say you don't believe it?
what do YOU base this belief on?
i base mine on three things:
1-my own brain, my own dreams
2-the fact that my father, whom i am the spitting image of physically and mentally, is so far to the right i cant talk politics with him without getting completely frustrated
3-a close friend i grew up with who is blue collar conservative, but has told me of some pretty far out dreams which i havent come close to.
point is, its generalising bullshit attempting to create the illusion of biological difference between liberals and conservatives. thats why its junk science. it was studied for the sake of a clear and bias agenda. even if it put liberals in a positive light and conservatives as fanciful loonies, i would be all over this shit. great efforts are made to separate people, which work. but how much bullshit are we willing to swallow?
I think there actually could be some truth to it—just because naturally, liberals are less at ease under a conservative administration, and vice versa. I highly, highly doubt that there's any biological difference between the two. The clip was still incredibly biased though, the anchor insisted on acting as if liberals specifically had some kind of emotional problem.
1. Accepting a possibility and saying that I believe something are entirely different things. I base this belief on the fact that physical trauma can completely change the personality of a person--why, then, couldn't a chemical difference change a more minor aspect of a personality?
2. Apparently you are not the spitting image of your father mentally if your views are completely different. And similar brain chemistry does not correlate well with physical appearance.
3. Dreams mean nothing. If you have normal dreams, great. If you have weird, off-the-wall dreams, great. In fact, you probably have had some of the oddest, least-sensical dreams ever, but you cannot remember them.
4. Perhaps there are biological differences between conservatives and liberals, perhaps there are not. Frankly, I don't think there are, but that doesn't dismiss the possibility of truth. I don't buy evolution and things like the endosymbiotic theory, but might they have some truth to them? Sure, they might.
5. "even if it put liberals in a positive light and conservatives as fanciful loonies, i would be all over this shit".
You know, it is a good question to ask how much bullshit we are willing to swallow. I think I'm a bit too full for this one, though. Thanks anyway.
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