Though IKC may favour Kun, his arguments are valid, TDTD can you supply some form of information on DN Luke's power.
IKC, but we cant really say Kun isnt more powerful that Sadow, since Kun learned most of his amazing force powers from Sadow, and during the wars earlier, some of the knowledge may have been lost
Yes, Luke may be the strongest force Users on the Light side, but it doesnt mean people like the Ancient Sith, Nadd and Kun, couldn't take him..i actually believe that all the Sith from Kun and before could take DN and NJO Luke...
Its my opinion, and most likely a correctly assumed fact, that Kun's potential is a fair bit above Luke's, since Luke, at the age of 50 and over realised his true potential, whereas Kun, died before he could achieve is...
Even then, Kun's abilities and feats surpass Luke's, and if Luke did have a kaiburr Crystal, that would degrade his power, since he is using a force amplifier to enhance strength...
Remember that Kun, as a apprentice bested one of the most Revered Jedi master, Vodo...a feat that Luke never did...the best Luke did as an apprentice was, get his hand sliced off in ESB, and beat his father, when his father was esstantially not trying to kill him.
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I wasn't arguing I was asking for information on DN Luke's power because out of all the forums I've been to everyone has agreed that DN/NJO Luke is greater than everyone besides Ragnos.. And yes if he had the crystal it would make it a force enhancer. It's the same when Kun had Sadow's amulet..
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And I believe the outcome of a battle between Naga Sadow and Exar Kun to be up in the air. We don't know exactly how much Exar learned from the notes of Sadow. There's no conclusive proof for either side.
As for the kaiburr crystal, it would be permissible in a fight if it were canon that Luke has it. I'd like some evidence from NJO that he actually does have it.
As for your assumption that Kun's potential is greater than displayed, that's probably accurate. He lived a relatively short life.
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Other than allowing Kun to shoot blasts, we don't know what Sadow's amulet does. Therefore, to say that it boosts his power in the Force is unsupported.
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and excuse me if i entered into feat wars, but wasnt Kun said to be Vodo's most formiadable student ever? Before he attainted any of his sith amulets and his embrace of the darkside?
Like i said before the crystal, IF Luke had it, that would make him seem weaker than if he didn't, so by that tdtd is defeating himself by saying that Luke is stronger than Kun..
Yes, Vodo proclaimed Kun as the "most formidable student (he) has ever had." It's a good testament to his power, especially since he was only a Jedi apprentice at the time.
As for the crystal, I don't think Luke canonically has it.
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The Kaiburr Crystal? Luke has it. I know you guys hate that book, but it's canon as far as EU is concerned as it doesn't contradict anything else. And it's in the NEGtC.
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Glentract, you don't make canon. Chronologies do not create canon.
Splinter of the Mind's Eye is hardly canon. It directly contradicts the movies and it begs the question: where the hell did the crystal go, then? Why didn't Luke just tote it around at all times? Why isn't it mentioned anywhere else? Could it be perhaps that it was in the first, poorly-planned work of EU and inconveniently placed between ANH and ESB, when people didn't even know if Vader was still alive?
To answer your question, woot, it increases Force power.
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Woot, I'm not defeating myself with the argument that if Luke had the crystal it would make him seem weaker, because then I can say the same thing about Kun before he had Sadow's amulet.
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Yet Kun was already recognised by Vodo as his most formaidable student he had ever had, and having trained jedi for some centuries, it would mean something, whereas Luke, was not stated to have any amazing abilities and as a apprentice he was defeated numerous times, by a Sithlord whom had no intention to ever kill him, rather to turn him to the darkside..
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yea and Luke as a young kid with absolutely no training was feared by the Emperor which says a lot about his potential.. I don't understand your point?
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To say that because the Emperor realizes a potential threat means he fears that threat is a stretch and a half. He didn't fear Luke, he feared what Luke could become and represent.
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Oh? Sidious feared anyone who could threaten his rule, and naturally, i dont doubt Sidious could see that Vader would betray him as soon as he had that power, so saying if Luke and Vader united, they would pose a problem for Sidious.
Kun was accepted by the Most powerful of the Most powerful, Marka Ragnos, what does that say?
The Dark Lord of the Ancient Sith, who above all valued power and strength, accepting Kun as a Dark Lord of the Sith
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A Dark Lord of the Sith, who through political means, took over the senate, and through Vader and the clones, defeated the PT Jedi, who were not warlike, and were generally unprepared for any Sith threat..
You don't make canon either. You can't just declare whatever you want non-canon. Chronologies are officially stated as the next best thing after the top level of canon. They are on the same level with any novel or comic. Oh, and the reason Luke wasn't showing if off to everyone was because its power diminished the farther he went from the Temple of Pomojema.
In anycase, I don't see why it matters one way of the other. Luke has still done what he did. In Dark Nest, Luke was able to defeat a force user who had the power of an entire species to draw on, or in otherwords, several times more then DE Sidious.
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