i was told he was augmented to superhuman levels at that time and or it was hyperbole by one of the marvel handbook writer's i had questioned about cap's speed
claiming the fastest sprinter can only hit 28 doesn't mean the pinnacle of human capability is 28 miles per hour. there are differences and nuances that are being overlooked.
captain america is THE peak human. it's his entire purpose. it's his mystique. his body is the physical embodiment of his mindset.
cable's also prone to decorative language. he referred to himself as the world's most powerful telepath on more than one occasion, remember. one character's thought bubbles do not constitute a retcon for another character.
Mate, you didn't read my post properly I said he was seen to benchpress at least 1100 lbs. I put at least in bold for you to see. If he can benchpress 1100lbs with ease he should be able to lift a ton and his absolute maximum could be two tons.
Well actually its not just that scan, the bulk of his showings show that Cap could lift 2 tons
I dont even understand what you said there, could you say this in simpler terms.
Im sure you know that using handbooks to define a characters capabilities is not enough evidence on their own, you also need to look at their showings. As you know the old Powerman is supposezd to be able to lift 3 tons he consistently shown to be able to lift more than this, therefore the handbook is rejected. Namor is supposed to be able to lift 40 tons out of water and 85 tons in water, his showings reject this, therefore again the handbook is rejected.
I know their are extreme examples but their are loads of Cap showings that indicate that he can lift more than 1000Lbs and his maximum is 1 to 2 tons. Marvel need to sort it out. If you also look at evidence the lowest level of superhuman strength seems to be 3 tons, since Cap is peak human his strength could be anywhere outside of 3 tons.
Ok, but hes still a cyborg. By the way his bio says he has telekinetic powers but it doesnt say anything about him using it to increase his physical stats.
No I did not. Im not going to buy a comic so I can have a debate here, for now I will stick to scans, wiki and marvel.com, and when I have time I will buy the issue.
Im sorry but that sounds like you're saying Wonder Woman is weaker than Superman because shes a woman? I dont read DC, but surely in a world full of superhumans being a women isn't neccesarily going to make you weaker.
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Nice showings, but Cable is depowered so his stats are probably only equivilant to a regular human who engages in intensive regular exercise, in which case Cap is his superior.
And his watching bullets in slow mo etc is attributed to his cybernetic parts
Cap being "superhuman" is not his character...Him being peek human and doing the things he does, hanging with the other super people is wat makes him great.
There was a time when he was moved into the super-category, having a good amount of superstrength and stuff. It was later taken away from him, and he moved back to having his old stats back.
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Well yyyyyyeah I know. When I say hes "superhuman" im just getting tired of people saying he has a jobber aura. What im trying to elaborate on is what is peak human. Im trying to prove that peak human is low level superhuman.
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the lowest levels of superhuman strength start around 1000 pounds, according to references made to both quicksilver and toad. peak human strength is approximately 800 lbs. and it's a very rare thing for weights to actually be mentioned on-panel, such as "there's captain america lifting 1100 pounds." some people, when researching respect threads, look up real-life equivalents to what they see, but that doesn't mean that that is the intended weight limit by the writer or artist.
besides ultimate cap and the aforementioned period in which cap had superhuman strength, i don't think i've ever seen him lifting decidedly superhuman amounts of weight. care to prove your case, instead of just saying it again and again?
His cybernetic parts don't give him that much of of a physical edge. In the past he was super strong with them but now the only thing they are is shiny. And durable
sigh. No. Your reading too much into this. Cable says Cap is stronger, faster and triple his endurance. Of course Cap is cause Cable stats are that of a human. Cable seeing things in slow mo is cause of his tech eye, not cause of any training or level of superhuman appearances. To infer that Cap can do the same when Cable explicitly mentioned the areas where Cap is superior is wishful thinking
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Oct 26th, 2006 09:39 PM
I dont read DC, but surely in a world full of superhumans being a women isn't neccesarily going to make you weaker.
